10 Golf Myths

[Lucifer MorningStar]

All you seem to think about is missing the hole. All I try to think about is holing the putt. See the difference?

I’ve not seen anywhere that he said he thinks about missing the hole. Only that a miss whether it’s long or short is a miss so it’s irrelevant if it was long, short, low or high. He’s not even ever said he purposefully leaves any putts short. Merely spoken about 3 putt avoidance from any distance.

I consider myself a good putter and I couldn’t care less whether my miss is long or short. It’s missed regardless and all that matters is the next putt.

 

[rulie]

Could someone provide the long and short of this thread?

 

[3 jabber]

I’ve not seen anywhere that he said he thinks about missing the hole. Only that a miss whether it’s long or short is a miss so it’s irrelevant if it was long, short, low or high. He’s not even ever said he purposefully leaves any putts short. Merely spoken about 3 putt avoidance from any distance.

I consider myself a good putter and I couldn’t care less whether my miss is long or short. It’s missed regardless and all that matters is the next putt.

All through this thread Ori has gone on about 3 putt avoidance and never about being positive and thinking about holing putts. Just don't 3 putt........

 

[Voyager EMH]

Then perhaps your dispersion is not as tight as you think it is

Move your centre of dispersion to the hole

Does not work like that though, does it?
My dispersion is fine with what I'm attempting to do - and with what I do the majority of times.
Accounting for that poor stroke that happens occasionally by increasing the pace of all your other putts would be a big mistake.

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

All through this thread Ori has gone on about 3 putt avoidance and never about being positive and thinking about holing putts. Just don't 3 putt........

Depends how you view positive thought process. 3 putt avoidance can easily be put into a positive frame. There isn’t one size fits all as you claim. As for just don’t 3 putt you can’t be that naive to actually believe that’s what works. Considering PGA tour stats you’d think people on here are world class putters.

I do practice 3 putt avoidance on anything over 25feet doesn’t mean I’m not trying to hole the first putt and ensuring my thought process is anything other than get the ball in the hole. I never think about going long or short I get my line and think I’m going to hole it. There’s more than one way to plays this game yet everyone seems to be ganging up on Ori assuming he’s negative when at no point has he said he doesn’t try to hole putts.

 

[3 jabber]

Depends how you view positive thought process. 3 putt avoidance can easily be put into a positive frame. There isn’t one size fits all as you claim. As for just don’t 3 putt you can’t be that naive to actually believe that’s what works. Considering PGA tour stats you’d think people on here are world class putters.

I do practice 3 putt avoidance on anything over 25feet doesn’t mean I’m not trying to hole the first putt and ensuring my thought process is anything other than get the ball in the hole. I never think about going long or short I get my line and think I’m going to hole it. There’s more than one way to plays this game yet everyone seems to be ganging up on Ori assuming he’s negative when at no point has he said he doesn’t try to hole putts.

Player misses the green and chips to 15ft

Positive player thinks 'let's hole this and save par'

Negative player thinks 'Don't 3 putt bogey is fine'

 

[irip]

All through this thread Ori has gone on about 3 putt avoidance and never about being positive and thinking about holing putts. Just don't 3 putt........

The impression I got was that he was saying if he missed the first putt then he was hoping to be as close to the hole as possible so it didn’t become a 3 putt.
If that meant he was a foot short he preferred that to being passed the hole but further away.
Which I agree with.
If you have read it a different way then I’m sure we can all agree that it’s his fault for wording it wrong

 

[Orikoru]

All you seem to think about is missing the hole. All I try to think about is holing the putt. See the difference?

We were TALKING about missed putts as you said you'd rather MISS 3 feet long than 3 feet short. Your reasoning presumably being that hypothetically if you'd got the line correct then it would have gone in. Which is nothing but wishful thinking after a missed putt.

 

[Orikoru]

All through this thread Ori has gone on about 3 putt avoidance and never about being positive and thinking about holing putts. Just don't 3 putt........

I want to hole every putt I hit, and I also do not want to three-putt. Is it really that hard to process? I try and hit the speed that gives me the best chance of achieving both, which I believe is 'holing speed', and not two or three feet past the hole. That is all.

 

[Orikoru]

Player misses the green and chips to 15ft

Positive player thinks 'let's hole this and save par'

Negative player thinks 'Don't 3 putt bogey is fine'

Or a sensible person thinks "let's attempt to hole this but don't three putt".

 

[Whereditgo]

I thought the discussion was about how the phrase "never up, never in" has statistically been shown to be a flawed strategy.

 

[3 jabber]

I thought the discussion was about how the phrase "never up, never in" has statistically been shown to be a flawed strategy.

The laws of physics prove never up never in is actually correct.

 

[Arthur Wedge]

Could someone provide the long and short of this thread?

If you don’t hit it hard enough to get to the hole the ball will never go in

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Player misses the green and chips to 15ft

Positive player thinks 'let's hole this and save par'

Negative player thinks 'Don't 3 putt bogey is fine'

I miss the green and I expect to chip well inside of 15ft and get up and down every time. That’s the expectation I set myself.

I expect and try to hole every putt whilst also ensuring I never 3 putt.

None of that is negative, it’s all done with positive reinforcement. Thought process is a multi faceted thing for everyone. There is more than one way to get a positive outcome. You’re fixated that your way is the only way, which could not be further from the truth. A miss is a miss regardless of how it occurs, I could argue if you left one short you’d be annoyed and in a negative mindset about the putt that didn’t reach the hole. Whereas I’ve already put it aside and just focus on holing the next one regardless maybe try accepting others have different ways of thinking doesn’t mean they’re negative just because you don’t agree or understand how they think.

 

[3 jabber]

I want to hole every putt I hit, and I also do not want to three-putt. Is it really that hard to process? I try and hit the speed that gives me the best chance of achieving both, which I believe is 'holing speed', and not two or three feet past the hole. That is all.

Maybe you need to re-word some of your posts then because it always comes across as being negative ie. you focus more on NOT 3 putting than you do about actually being positive and giving the putt a chance. Like I said way back, good putters are not happy about leaving putts short from makeable distances but you seem happy with that as long as the next one is makeable. But anyway, you have your views and I have mine so let's move on.

 

[Whereditgo]

The laws of physics prove never up never in is actually correct.

And if golf was a game whereby you turned up, hit one putt and went home, you and the physics master would be correct.

 

[3 jabber]

I miss the green and I expect to chip well inside of 15ft and get up and down every time. That’s the expectation I set myself.

I expect and try to hole every putt whilst also ensuring I never 3 putt.

None of that is negative, it’s all done with positive reinforcement. Thought process is a multi faceted thing for everyone. There is more than one way to get a positive outcome. You’re fixated that your way is the only way, which could t be further from the truth. A miss is a miss regardless of how it occurs, I could argue if you left one short you’d be annoyed and in a negative mindset about the putt that didn’t reach the hole. Whereas I’ve already put it aside and just focus on holing the next one regardless maybe try accepting others have different ways of thinking doesn’t mean they’re negative just because you don’t agree understand how they think.

You've clearly misunderstood what I've posted. I only get annoyed if I leave a makeable putt short, not any putt. Have a great weekend

 

[Lucifer MorningStar]

Maybe it’s time to repost the original 10 myths to create more discussion as poor Ori is getting it in all directions

 

[Neilds]

To have a (slight) change of topic - but still putting

Why is it considered to be a better miss to miss a putt on the high side (also called the pro miss)? The miss on the high side leaves a downhill putt which is usually considered harder than the same distance uphill putt - and players are congratulated when they leave their approach shot below the hole.

 

[Swinglowandslow]

Just catching up on this thread, can someone clarify for me whether it’s better to leave a putt 1 foot short or hit it 1 foot past?

It’s not a question of that. It’s whether to accept that a putt hit hard enough to go one foot past will sometimes go in. A putt hit not hard enough to reach will never go in.
The question is NOT …..which is the better way to miss.?