WW3 -All Russia / Ukraine stuff here please-

Not sure why all the handwringing and backtracking over Biden's remarks is taking place, when it's common knowledge that Putin's people have been trying to subvert western elections for the last decade.
I would have thought his being described as a war criminal and butcher in the last week or so was more inflammatory.
 
I thought it looked like the guy with the camera phone and his buddy were helping the civilians safely negotiate the mines.
I wouldn't trust myself to walk between them, never mind towing a trailer.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Do you know …Has the UK state got a system and process up and running yet for admitting Ukrainian refugees - especially for those who wish to come here but have no relatives currently in the UK - or is it still ad hoc and up to individuals to try and work their way through…? We seem to be lagging miles behind the rest of Europe despite the generosity of the UK public offering to host.
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Having listened to numerous phone calls on the radio from people who have offered to have a family I have concluded 2 things. 1. At best the organisers of this system are just shambolic, at worst it's by design to ensure we have as few people from Ukraine as possible in our country. 2. The British people are desperate to help but are being completely let down.
 
road2ruin said:
Having listened to numerous phone calls on the radio from people who have offered to have a family I have concluded 2 things. 1. At best the organisers of this system are just shambolic, at worst it's by design to ensure we have as few people from Ukraine as possible in our country. 2. The British people are desperate to help but are being completely let down.
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There is a certain amount of 'Red tape' that's required and h wheels of government DO turn slowly! The Windrush Generation catastrophe is probably still an open sore!
 
Foxholer said:
There is a certain amount of 'Red tape' that's required and h wheels of government DO turn slowly! The Windrush Generation catastrophe is probably still an open sore!
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Unfortunately there is no easy and quick way to distinguish the good from the terrorists in their midst.
 
drdel said:
Unfortunately there is no easy and quick way to distinguish the good from the terrorists in their midst.
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Why would there be a need to? 'Terrorists' don't need to hide as refugees!
It's attitudes like that that caused the Windrush scandal!
Though there does need to be some sort of registration - to prevent similar happening in the future.
It's the classic 'Red Tape' problem!
 
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drdel said:
Unfortunately there is no easy and quick way to distinguish the good from the terrorists in their midst.
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The Russian agents who launched a biological attack on the streets of Salisbury didn't need to hide in amongst refugees so I don't think we need to worry about that. The fact is that the majority of those coming abroad are female, very young or very old as the men of fighting age are doing just that. The stories of the Ukrainian refugees being expected to fill in online forms, on their mobiles, whilst fleeing from war is simply astonishing whilst we claim to be welcoming of those in need. All this while other countries open their borders and accept them. It is genuinely embarrassing to watch and just hope that those who are struggling to get over here realise it isn't the British people it is solely down to those making the rules.
 
Foxholer said:
Why would there be a need to? 'Terrorists' don't need to hide as refugees!
It's attitudes like that that caused the Windrush scandal!
Though there does need to be some sort of registration - to prevent similar happening in the future.
It's the classic 'Red Tape' problem!
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OK is this your view of security and border control? if so tell Sunak: he'd would love to take the chance to slash the security budget if he agreed!

Windrush is a utterly different scenario and societal era.
 
drdel said:
OK is this your view of security and border control? if so tell Sunak: he'd would love to take the chance to slash the security budget if he agreed!

Windrush is a utterly different scenario and societal era.
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I'm not advocating any reduction in the security budget! In fact, there's almost certainly going to be an increase reqd! I'm suggesting that a streamlined approach is used for this emergency!
While Windrush was certainly 'different', the potential issues are very similar/along the same lines! In fact, the Windrush catastrophe can provide lessons for this emergency!
 
Foxholer said:
I'm not advocating any reduction in the security budget! In fact, there's almost certainly going to be an increase reqd! I'm suggesting that a streamlined approach is used for this emergency!
While Windrush was certainly 'different', the potential issues are very similar/along the same lines! In fact, the Windrush catastrophe can provide lessons for this emergency!
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Was there any security issues with Windrush? I believe the issue was due to people who had come to the UK from the West Indies around 50 years ago who had not taken British Citizenship being asked to leave the country (I'm not supporting the policy though)

I don't think people coming from Ukraine would tend to be potential terrorists.
 
SocketRocket said:
Was there any security issues with Windrush? I believe the issue was due to people who had come to the UK from the West Indies around 50 years ago who had not taken British Citizenship being asked to leave the country (I'm not supporting the policy though)

I don't think people coming from Ukraine would tend to be potential terrorists.
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It was - at least that general area. I'm happy to bung that in the general '(Border) Security' category though.
 
Heard reported today that UK has actually admitted all of 500 Ukrainian refugees. 500! When there are 200,000 offers of accommodation registered, and such as the Republic of Ireland has admitted more than 20,000. Three weeks after the 'system' was launched (18th March I think) we have admitted 500 - maybe even 1000, it's utterly shameful and embarrassing. What the he** is going on. And please if all that we've got is 'security concerns' then I despair - as if the UK is the only country in Europe that has terrorist security concerns.

It's either a Home Office shambles or something that can't be mentioned never mind discussed. Can anyone explain in a non-P way please why our verification and vetting system is - or has to be - so drawn out. If the answer to that question is 'No' - then so be it. I can draw my own conclusions.
 
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