World Cup 2018

[HomerJSimpson]

HE really did, but it's always going to be about the one blunder. Unfortunately.


It's looking like an Argentina - England final to me.
(no, not English myself)

I think every keeper has a blunder that defines them (Shilton flapping at the German free kick in 1990) but Seaman was a good keeper for England.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I think every keeper has a blunder that defines them (Shilton flapping at the German free kick in 1990) but Seaman was a good keeper for England.

Yes I must admit Seaman was the one I forgot

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Hart - 70+ Caps
James - 50+
Robinson - 40+
Green - 12
Foster
Forster
Plus quite a few more with a couple of caps

All since Seaman finished in 2002

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Hart - 70+ Caps
James - 50+
Robinson - 40+
Green - 12
Foster
Forster
Plus quite a few more with a couple of caps

All since Seaman finished in 2002

Just proves how short of decent goalkeeping options we have been.

The top two on that list were best known for their errors (and arrogance) and IMO would never have got a game had they been competing with the likes of Shilton, Clemence or Seaman.

 

[BubbaP]

Columbia in the next round, and you lot think that's an easy route :rofl:

Not all of us! This was before the 3rd games.

I can see Columbia making it out if the group and giving England or Belgium a few problems

Hope it doesn't come back to haunt me

 

[BubbaP]

Danny Rose a shoe in for the next game I reckon.

Was that for the attacking part?
I was driving so just on the radio for most of game, but all they could talk about in 1st half was how Rose had been skinned time after time and not won any battles with the eventual goal scorer.

Eng def need to find a way to a clean sheet in next game

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Just proves how short of decent goalkeeping options we have been.

The top two on that list were best known for their errors (and arrogance) and IMO would never have got a game had they been competing with the likes of Shilton, Clemence or Seaman.

Absolutely agree, even Gordon West was better.

 

[pokerjoke]

Nail on head 👍

Unfortunately thats not the performance we wanted to see from Rashford, he had his chance and not convinced many in the same way Sterling does not. I do like the balance and the set up in the first 11 and think that Danny Rose is the no1 left back. The way we play we need another proven goal scorer up front with Kane. I still think that person is Rashford. Yup Rashford had a chance, But playing alongside Delph and Vardy is differant to Kane and Lingard.

The good thing about Rashford and Sterling is there movement, they are both quick and clever,and if they continue to do it we will continue to open teams up.
Rashford will be disappointed with his overall performance but one thing is he will not hide.
There is à chance that one of them could be that match winner,just keep getting in those positions.

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Pickford looks OK to me.
I had not heard of him up to the World Cup but he could be the best England keeper for quite a few years.

 

[Kellfire]

Only one player I think from that 11 that should play in the next game and that’s Rose , can see the benefits of having someone with a natural left foot out wide

Well there's a shock. Rose clearly at fault for the goal and added nothing that Young hasn't in the first two games, but shock horror you'd have him out simply because he's right footed. Or because of who he plays for... nah, you wouldn't be biased...

A typical match between two reasonable European teams/styles. Playing for second place? Those England players on the fringe were playing for a first team berth. One or two were disappointing, and its obvious there isn't a decent dead ball player in the squad let alone on the pitch tonight.

Must agree with others, Trippier has a fantastic delivery from dead balls and he's shown that consistently in the first two games.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Well there's a shock. Rose clearly at fault for the goal and added nothing that Young hasn't in the first two games, but shock horror you'd have him out simply because he's right footed. Or because of who he plays for... nah, you wouldn't be biased

That’s the perfect example of everything that happens these days when people talk about England because certain people like yourself are unable to see past what team someone supports

My liking of Rose has absolutely nothing to do with who I support or who Young plays for - I believe Rose is a far better player than Young by a country mile - I would prefer to have Trippier or AA or Delph or Walker or in fact the GK playing left over Young who i think is poor - simple as that nothing to do with bias

And it’s no surprise you highlight my post so that you can bring bias into it as opposed to this one

Danny Rose a shoe in for the next game I reckon.

Maybe the bias is quite clearly in your camp.

 

[Kellfire]

That’s the perfect example of everything that happens these days when people talk about England because certain people like yourself are unable to see past what team someone supports

My liking of Rose has absolutely nothing to do with who I support or who Young plays for - I believe Rose is a far better player than Young by a country mile - I would prefer to have Trippier or AA or Delph or Walker or in fact the GK playing left over Young who i think is poor - simple as that nothing to do with bias

And it’s no surprise you highlight my post so that you can bring bias into it as opposed to this one



Maybe the bias is quite clearly in your camp.

Are you even reading what you're writing? Rose has barely played this season compared to Young and is clearly battling form and inner-demons right now. He made a clear mistake last night.

You're quite obviously against Ashley Young for some reason because he has demonstrated all season that he's in better form than Rose, and has done so in this World Cup as well. The fact he plays for Man Utd is coincidental for me because the facts are on my side - he's playing better than Rose.

I easily put aside my team allegiance. I've got no qualms in saying that Henderson has been very good in the opening games and is rightly set to play in the next round. I've got no qualms in TAA being in the squad despite lack of evidence he can do it for England because he's had an excellent season at Liverpool and deserves his chance. I'd have had Lallana in the squad as that something a little different who can unlock a door when a game is tight. All Liverpool players that I should detest for their club. You're not seeing me saying that Walker or Stones should be dropped for Phil Jones or Smalling, even though Walker is playing out of position and Stones didn't feature so much for Man City. The evidence that I'm biased towards United players just isn't there in this England squad.

I'm highlighting you saying it, over others, because of the way you've stuck at this nonsense argument since game one, even though Young has done absolutely nothing to deserve being dropped.

Your defence of Sterling is the elephant in the room with your bias. The fella has been woeful in this World Cup. A quick tap back for Lingard to score against Panama does not a good world cup make.

You're all about keeping a winning team going, keep Sterling in, it's working, it's working... oh... BUT DROP ASHLEY YOUNG.

Seriously, you get some unjustified abuse on football threads, stuff that seems personal and is over the top, but when it comes to purely footballing stuff you're completely unable to be unbiased when it comes to Liverpool and ex-Liverpool players.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Are you even reading what you're writing? Rose has barely played this season compared to Young and is clearly battling form and inner-demons right now. He made a clear mistake last night.

You're quite obviously against Ashley Young for some reason because he has demonstrated all season that he's in better form than Rose, and has done so in this World Cup as well. The fact he plays for Man Utd is coincidental for me because the facts are on my side - he's playing better than Rose.

I easily put aside my team allegiance. I've got no qualms in saying that Henderson has been very good in the opening games and is rightly set to play in the next round. I've got no qualms in TAA being in the squad despite lack of evidence he can do it for England because he's had an excellent season at Liverpool and deserves his chance. I'd have had Lallana in the squad as that something a little different who can unlock a door when a game is tight. All Liverpool players that I should detest for their club. You're not seeing me saying that Walker or Stones should be dropped for Phil Jones or Smalling, even though Walker is playing out of position and Stones didn't feature so much for Man City. The evidence that I'm biased towards United players just isn't there in this England squad.

I'm highlighting you saying it, over others, because of the way you've stuck at this nonsense argument since game one, even though Young has done absolutely nothing to deserve being dropped.

Your defence of Sterling is the elephant in the room with your bias. The fella has been woeful in this World Cup. A quick tap back for Lingard to score against Panama does not a good world cup make.

You're all about keeping a winning team going, keep Sterling in, it's working, it's working... oh... BUT DROP ASHLEY YOUNG.

Seriously, you get some unjustified abuse on football threads, stuff that seems personal and is over the top, but when it comes to purely footballing stuff you're completely unable to be unbiased when it comes to Liverpool and ex-Liverpool players.

Went a long way there to justify yourself haven’t you - still ignoring that another person also said Rose should play simple

I think Rose is the best left back in the squad and should play ( he plays for Spurs btw so not sure that’s bias ) - I don’t rate Young and every game so far I have found his lack of left foot to be stifling attacks with him having to cut in onto his right , I don’t rate him - simple , I would prefer a natural left footer as the left wing back , I think it’s bettet for the balance of the team.

As for the rest of your post - just read a lot of blah tbh

 

[Kellfire]

Went a long way there to justify yourself haven’t you - still ignoring that another person also said Rose should play simple

I didn't ignore it - I addressed it directly! See, you only read what you want to read.

"I'm highlighting you saying it, over others, because of the way you've stuck at this nonsense argument since game one, even though Young has done absolutely nothing to deserve being dropped."

I think Rose is the best left back in the squad

I'd agree that he's the most naturally talented - but he's clearly not producing it.

 

[drewster]

I agree with the Danny Rose comments, he's got to play against Columbia. Ashley Young whilst he has been adequately serviceable can now "ride the pine" for the rest of the World Cup...however long that may be.

 

[Orikoru]

Weird game last night. Saw it described as an international friendly randomly dropped into the middle of a World Cup, which is about accurate. As soon as the line-ups were announced you could see neither manager really wanted to win (or at least weren't bothered if they lost) so it would be a poor game, and it was.

I don't think you can read too much into it to be honest. Nobody really stepped up and made a place theirs. Set piece delivery from TAA was extremely poor, so Trippier was sorely missed (was there no one else in that 11 that could put a ball in the box??). Rashford had the perfect chance to prove he should be playing and failed to take it - he claimed Courtois saved it, and we were awarded the corner, but the replay showed that he cleared didn't save it, Rashford just missed the target completely. Not many players if any really came out with much credit there. But, I think the fears about us 'losing momentum' probably haven't come to fruition either, because it was such a dead rubber that you can basically pretend it never happened.

If we go and beat Colombia, then resting the players here will have proved to be an outstanding decision. If we lose that then it won't, obviously. Roll on Tuesday I guess.

What the hell am I going to watch today when there's no games on?? Major withdrawal symptoms incoming...

 

[chrisd]

I didn't ignore it - I addressed it directly! See, you only read what you want to read.

"I'm highlighting you saying it, over others, because of the way you've stuck at this nonsense argument since game one, even though Young has done absolutely nothing to deserve being dropped."




I'd agree that he's the most naturally talented - but he's clearly not producing it.

In a lacklustre performance I think Rose stood out above most. Yes he made a mistake but then he wasn't singly culpable for the goal, he adds much more going forward than Young and has a left foot that is not just for standing on. No, Young hasn't done anything wrong but then he didn't play against a side in the two games that tested him, I don't think Rose would have struggled either and, for me, its about putting out the best players for each game from now on and I rate Rose over Young every day of the week. I'm also unbiased as I'm a Palace fan!

 

[Orikoru]

I'm on the fence about Young/Rose. Young unquestionably had the better season. Rose unquestionably is the better left wing back when both are on their day. The only question is what sort of condition Rose is in, and none of us are privy to that information - Southgate is. If he feels Rose is in a good place with fitness and sharpness, he'll probably play him, if he's not quite there, then Young will play.

 

[Kellfire]

In a lacklustre performance I think Rose stood out above most. Yes he made a mistake but then he wasn't singly culpable for the goal, he adds much more going forward than Young and has a left foot that is not just for standing on. No, Young hasn't done anything wrong but then he didn't play against a side in the two games that tested him, I don't think Rose would have struggled either and, for me, its about putting out the best players for each game from now on and I rate Rose over Young every day of the week. I'm also unbiased as I'm a Palace fan!

Well, I can't help but disagree with you based on what both players do on the pitch. Rose struggled to get a place in the Spurs team this year due to his lack of form and his mental troubles, too.

 

[User62651]

So with 48 games played already, has any individual player been a standout so put themselves in the shop window for a move to a big European club from their current relative obscurity?

None spring to mind.

Has been an excellent groups phase though, perhaps best ever?