What would you do and is it correct??

[Robobum]

Rules poser for you. A situation that happened to me in a club match the other day regarding a penalty drop. I was sure i was correct but the other 3 (including my partner, but don't get me started on that one!) in the group all disagreed and with no referee available I (foolishly) relented.

What would be the penalty or score/ result for the hole in this scenario??:

A and B are 4somes partners. A carves a drive right onto a 45* bank covered in trees etc. After finding the ball they elect to take a penalty drop. Straight back in a line with the pin was not an option, the tee shot is very tricky too so they chose to take 2 clubs length drop.

B drops the ball within 2 clubs lengths and the ball rolls another 1 1/2 club lengths but no nearer the hole. B picks the ball up and re-drops within the 2 clubs. This time the ball rolls another clubs length and hits him on the foot. He then picks the ball up and places the ball where it first struck the ground.

Are there any errors in that procedure?

B chipped onto the fairway, A hit the green with his next shot and B holed the putt, what was their score for the hole?

 

[Twire]

If the first drop was dropped within the 2 club lengths, then your allowed 2 club lenghts roll, no nearer the pin. So he should not have picked the the ball up as it was in play.

The second drop was a 2 shot penalty for hitting his foot.

 

[jammydodger]

Incorrect procedure as the first ball dropped was in play. You can roll up to 2 clubs away from where the ball lands. Therefore loss of hole because they picked the ball up that was in play and didnt replace it under penalty.

Another fault (irrelevant after the first mistake) was placing the ball after it hit him , you have to redrop in that circumstance , in fact you can redrop as many times as you like in that circumstance.

Strange that they wouldnt know a simple dropping procedure like that

 

[JustOne]

Incorrect procedure as the first ball dropped was in play. You can roll up to 2 clubs away from where the ball lands. Therefore loss of hole because they picked the ball up that was in play and didnt replace it under penalty.

Another fault (irrelevant after the first mistake) was placing the ball after it hit him , you have to redrop in that circumstance , in fact you can redrop as many times as you like in that circumstance.

Strange that they wouldnt know a simple dropping procedure like that

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Wot he said. The first drop was perfectly good and so play should have continued.

 

[Robobum]

Pretty much correct. When A picked the ball up to redrop, it should have been a one shot penalty. The 2nd drop was irrelevant because the ball was already in play. Then it was loss of hole for playing from the incorrect place so the subsequent shots were also irrelevant.

After my partner dropped the first time and went to pick it up I've gone "Whoa, that's in play, another 2 clubs blah, blah etc"

Our 2 opponents have both disagreed and said it should be redropped and my jellyfish of a partner has chummied up to them and agreed with them. The first drop would have given us a big advantage and got us a flatish lie with a route to the green. The place where the ball hit the ground first was on a little ledge still under the tree at about knee height. Can understand why our opponents would prefer us to play from that ledge.

The other 3 players in the group had a combined handicap of 7, show's that playing ability is no measure of how well they know simple rules.

 

[JustOne]

I had something similar whilst playing in a medal, I was on a path and wanted a free drop, my nearest point of relief was directly behind a tree but there was a little slope and I knew if I dropped on the slope it would roll a few feet and out into play giving me a look at the flag - I dropped but the guy I played with went on about how I had to drop WITHIN the clublength and it wasn't allowed to roll sideways beyond the margin of the teepegs.

In the end I just played it off the path (double bogie) and was annoyed at myself for not having my rule book as I'd have stuck it up his frikkin' sporan!

Went on from there to sucessfully go up .1

What I should have done is played it properly and told him that he could question it with the pro/secretary after the round and I'd happily take DQ if I was wrong.

 

[bobmac]

What was their score for the hole?

Tee shot ..1
Penalty drop..2
After dropping within the rules, he picks it up and drops again. Assuming he is claiming it unplayable again....3
Second drop hits his foot..1 penalty ...4. Player places the ball..1 penalty (must drop it)...5 chip out ...6 chip on and hole the putt...8 ish

Another perfect situation where 1 person carrying a rule book would solve the problem.

 

[Robobum]

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Second drop hits his foot..1 penalty .......

Rule 20-2

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If the ball, when dropped, touches any person or the equipment of any player before or after it strikes a part of the course and before it comes to rest, the ball must be re-dropped, without penalty. There is no limit to the number of times a ball must be re-dropped in these circumstances.

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Another case for the rule book carrier. Not trying to make a defence for myself, the book was in my bag, it was cold, it was very wet and we were 4 down with 6 to play at the time.

 

[JustOne]

...8 ish

 

[bobmac]

If the ball, when dropped, touches any person or the equipment of any player before or after it strikes a part of the course and before it comes to rest, the ball must be re-dropped, without penalty. There is no limit to the number of times a ball must be re-dropped in these circumstances.

Oops, spot on.
I was thinking of hitting the ball which then hits you is a 1 shot penalty.
Sowwy