wasting my time?

[hovis]

ok, so i'd reached lesson number 14 with my golf pro (two a month) having put some changes into my swing that i wasn't confident in i got my head down and give it a go. my hanicap went from 16 to 24.
i decided to bin the lessons and go back to my old swing (self tought) handicap now 15.

having come into some inheritance i decided to take up lessons again but this time i went to see 4 different pro's at different clubs in aid to find one i liked (over two weeks) although i know this is excesive i had the time and money. i'm at the stage where i'm desperate to get rid of my out to in swing as this is killing my longer clubs.

to my amazement all 4 pro's give 4 different primary resaons for my out to in swing path

pro 1. grip too strong causing me to throw the club out.
pro 2. stance too wide and too much sway
pro 3. backswing too steep
pro 4. backswing too flat

is there such thing as a unteachable student? i think i would be a perfect candidate for said position. i knew i should have taken up fishing

 

[duncan mackie]

the first 3 are all possible, but the issue of the chicken and egg has been around for a long time!

4 I struggle with, you would have to be a contorsionist in my book to achi ve a true out to in swing from a flat take away....yes, you could come across the ball at impact but not really from outside surely?

 

[kid2]

Hovis im no expert and iv had great help from a few of the lads on here...
Im self thought no lessons .....Im now after the weekend down to 15 i think.....

I spent the whole of last year trying to rid myself of an out to in swing...At least 14 months because it broke into this year.....I didnt even come close to my handicap buffer once in that 14 months and received 0.1 back in all comps...This saw me back up to 18 and the very last comp of the season saw me loose 2 full shots....

I spent so much time trying to draw the ball it messed me up for ages but.......It was worth the effort....Im now much tighter in my swing and im draw most clubs....My not so bad shot now is a push or a push fade with the worst being a pull hook.....

They are playable apart from the hook but im enjoying my golf so much better this year....Only 4 comps in and iv reached the buffer twice and iv had a 0.3 cut last week and i think 1.2 after yesterday...

If you want to rid that out to in swing its going to be a very frustrating few months but have a chat with Bob and he'll see you right.
Ask him about the Sponge....Best training aid iv ever used.:whoo:

 

[kid2]

ok, so i'd reached lesson number 14 with my golf pro (two a month) having put some changes into my swing that i wasn't confident in i got my head down and give it a go. my hanicap went from 16 to 24.
i decided to bin the lessons and go back to my old swing (self tought) handicap now 15.

having come into some inheritance i decided to take up lessons again but this time i went to see 4 different pro's at different clubs in aid to find one i liked (over two weeks) although i know this is excesive i had the time and money. i'm at the stage where i'm desperate to get rid of my out to in swing as this is killing my longer clubs.

to my amazement all 4 pro's give 4 different primary resaons for my out to in swing path

pro 1. grip too strong causing me to throw the club out.
pro 2. stance too wide and too much sway
pro 3. backswing too steep
pro 4. backswing too flat

is there such thing as a unteachable student? i think i would be a perfect candidate for said position. i knew i should have taken up fishing

3 and 4 have me really confused.....I would think that its either 1 or the other you have...

 

[ScienceBoy]

I think your first problem is your having lessons too frequently! One a month is sufficient, take the time to bed the changes and then get another.

If after 14 lessons you are not seeing progress something is VERY wrong! I have had 3 this year and in every one I hardly hit a good shot, but I took in the advice and took the time to practice what was taught. I have been through a lot of bad golf but its all paid off as I am hitting the ball great, just wish I was a member of a club so I could put it to good use!

 

[hovis]

3 and 4 have me really confused.....I would think that its either 1 or the other you have...

This is my point. How can I get a consistant swing if the diagnoses is all over the shop. To hear one pro say the complete opposite to the other has left me deflated

 

[duncan mackie]

This is my point. How can I get a consistant swing if the diagnoses is all over the shop. To hear one pro say the complete opposite to the other has left me deflated

well, in the absence of seeing you it's definitely posible that you could have either a strong or weak grip causing it - so some apparent opposites are entirely possible causes...

 

[bobmac]

I tend not to dwell on the whys and wherefors of what's going on.
All 4 of the causes above could or not cause the out to in swing but with all 4 you could still swing in to out.
I'd rather focus on what you need to do to change the swing path. After all, it's what's happening as the club comes into impact that counts, not what happens on the backswing.
Of course, in a perfect world, the backswing would be perfect and with a swish, you'd launch it at least 300 yds down the middle(forum yardages, not mine).
Forget trying to find the cause, and concentrate on the cure would be my advice

 

[SocketRocket]

Stand in the address position with no club. Let both arms hang down loosely in front of you with your palms together.

Keeping the left arm hanging in front take the right arm back as if you are making a back swing then from the top swing your right arm down and clap your right hand into your left.

Did you swing out to in? I bet you never. The reason you never is because you didn't try to contrive the or force the move, you never threw your right shoulder out, you only concentrated on your hands making contact.

Keep doing this and feel how simple the action is. When you have come to terms with the simplicity of the move then do the same with a club and ball but keep your focus on the natural movement and the club face striking the ball.

Consider this lesson free of charge.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

My change of pro in December has done wonders for me. With him it is all about style over substance and about how I hit it and what the club head is doing. He swapped me to a one plane swing which has been so easy to pick up and run with that not only did I see almost instant results on the course in term of ball strike but it has made it easier to understand what the club is doing and where it is travelling.

My advice is you have taken too many lessons in too short a space of time and have got confused and lost. Find a pro you get on with and who teaches you in a way you understand and can take in the information and stick with him. Let him teach you piece by piece and don't be tempted to change to someone else at the first sign of it not working. Ypu will go backwards and perhaps not feel any progression at all but give yourself time (at least 2-3 weeks) to work on the drills you will be given and put the practice in. Until you clear everything down you will have too many thoughts and techniques going through your head

 

[Ian_S]

I would suggest always asking 'why?' whenever the pro recommends a change. If you watch the pro's you see that they all swing the club differently to achieve the goal of square and straight contact. Every time the pro makes a change, you should find out why doing that will help you get from where you are to straighter or squarer contact.

It's no good making a change simply because the pro told you. If you don't know why to make that change when you're with the pro, you'll have no idea what to do when you're out on the course on your own.

 

[bobmac]

I would suggest always asking 'why?' whenever the pro recommends a change. If you watch the pro's you see that they all swing the club differently to achieve the goal of square and straight contact. Every time the pro makes a change, you should find out why doing that will help you get from where you are to straighter or squarer contact.

It's no good making a change simply because the pro told you. If you don't know why to make that change when you're with the pro, you'll have no idea what to do when you're out on the course on your own.

Do you mean why the ball slices (ie out to in swing) or why you have an out to in swing?

 

[Ian_S]

Do you mean why the ball slices (ie out to in swing) or why you have an out to in swing?

Both, really. And also why will the adjustment that's being recommended fix it - particularly when it comes to pro 3 and pro 4 in the OP. They're all important so that when you're on the course and you hit a slice you can think "right, I know what went wrong there", rather than "damn, another slice. But I'm doing what the pro told me".

 

[bobmac]

That would be too much information in my opinion

 

[chrisd]

it's what's happening as the club comes into impact that counts, not what happens on the backswing.

Thats exactly what my pro says to me, all the backswing does is to provide momentum