HRC99
Journeyman Pro
I don't think I would be bothered about it unless I was playing a proper competition. The game can be slow enough sometimes as it is. Whoever is ready can go for me.
Was I in the wrong?
- Thread starter sawtooth
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WhoGivesA
Assistant Pro
I`ll be watching you in future!!!!!!
Totally agree with you sawtooth, you were right to pull him up. As you say its all very competitive, he`ll probably do the same to you somewhere down the line.
centuryg5
Head Pro
Whoa,calm down fella, he was only asking a question,why go off on one.keep it friendly,another reason i haven't posted on here for a while when you get hot heads like this.
Imurg
The Grinder Of Pars (Semi Crocked)
So, in a match, if I patted down the rough behind my ball you'd be alright with that would you?
Rules are rules - like it or not. I know it wasn't the Open but if you play Golf you play to the rules. Deciding to not enforce one is wrong - however much time it takes or grief caused. All the rules are equal - one is not more important than another - so to just ignore this one would be wrong.
Swinger
Journeyman Pro
Well I know how to nobble some of you guys now.
Just hope you don't play against me in a 'friendly' match!
With regards to wiping the ball on the green I would advise against it. I know it is ok in the rules however how would you feel if someone accused you of testing the surface when you weren't. It's all down to interpretation and I seen that rule being thrown around a few times. I always walk to the fringe just to be on the safe side.
Just hope you don't play against me in a 'friendly' match!
With regards to wiping the ball on the green I would advise against it. I know it is ok in the rules however how would you feel if someone accused you of testing the surface when you weren't. It's all down to interpretation and I seen that rule being thrown around a few times. I always walk to the fringe just to be on the safe side.
Herbie
Tour Winner
Strange interpretation of 'friends' on here methinks?
When I play with a friend or friends, they are people who know me well and are my friends who exchange all sorts of witty remarks to one another and laugh togeather about each others cock ups. In the OP's scenario I would wait and then boldly announce "Thats just cost you you toss pot". and laughed heartily about it all the way to the club house and hopefully won as well to rub it in even more. But real friends can do this, its a pity they dont seem to be in your case.
As for the rules you shouldnt really need them in a friendly game at all, but in a comp they are there to be used and if its a comp, friendly or not then use them.
When I play with a friend or friends, they are people who know me well and are my friends who exchange all sorts of witty remarks to one another and laugh togeather about each others cock ups. In the OP's scenario I would wait and then boldly announce "Thats just cost you you toss pot". and laughed heartily about it all the way to the club house and hopefully won as well to rub it in even more. But real friends can do this, its a pity they dont seem to be in your case.
As for the rules you shouldnt really need them in a friendly game at all, but in a comp they are there to be used and if its a comp, friendly or not then use them.
didsbury_duffer
Challenge Tour Pro
Although you were technically correct, I would not have insisted on another drive if it was a game with mates. It sounds like nobody knew whose turn it was. I would just have used it as a bit of banter in the bar. However, if they regularly move when you are playing a shot, stand behind or in front of your line of putt, rattle the car keys..etc, then they need a few words in their ears about etiquette. And if they still did it, I would tell them to stick it!!
Whilst you watched your opponent tee up you must have been thinking "if he duffs this we say nothing". as it happened he nailed it so you resort to plan b - complain. Don't talk about the correct spirit in which the game should be played because that makes you a hypocryt as well as a (selective)pedant.
Society_Fan
Head Pro
You were absolutely right in what you did, but the bit you did wrong was let their reaction get to you and lose the game!!!
It sounds to me that they jumped on a chance to wind you up and it worked, which is a lesson you can learn from.
Good luck for next time
It sounds to me that they jumped on a chance to wind you up and it worked, which is a lesson you can learn from.
Good luck for next time
SwingSlow
Head Pro
Not so concerned about playing out of turn if it is a friendly in the interests of keeping play moving, but would expect there to be an agreement - courtesy really. The other things you mention would be a cause for comment, or at least a polite request.
Don't take it to heart - many more important things to be concerned about.
Don't take it to heart - many more important things to be concerned about.
sawtooth
Tour Winner
Gash, the thought never crossed my mind his partner reminded us just after he hit his ball and he passed the honour back before he played. I am not a hyprocrite and would never knowingly watch someone (especially a mate from work) break the rules only then to say thank you I'll have that. Blame me for not being switched on but not for being sly.
After his partner eventually teed off they were off walking and I naturally thought arent you going to play again? Thats when it all kicked off.
I will let it ride next time because I assumed the player would accept it graciously and I guess from the spread of different views on here you wont always get the response that you necessarily expect, hence not worth the risk.
Next time I wont say a word and will ignore the breach but thanks to all of your feedback every view has been helpful.
After his partner eventually teed off they were off walking and I naturally thought arent you going to play again? Thats when it all kicked off.
I will let it ride next time because I assumed the player would accept it graciously and I guess from the spread of different views on here you wont always get the response that you necessarily expect, hence not worth the risk.
Next time I wont say a word and will ignore the breach but thanks to all of your feedback every view has been helpful.
Parmo
Tour Winner
I think the main point is that in friendlies it really doesn't matter. In comps in my usual fourball we sometimes play out of turn, just because whoever is ready tee's off first so speed play up. The main problem is people on this thread complaining about every rule has to be to the letter, yet complain about slow play which this rule creates.
By the book you where correct Sawtooth but in a friendly, does it really matter who tee's off first? Do or they you gain any advantage? In fact I would say this is more etiquette than a rule. Though in Matchplay I would stick to this, any other format I wouldn't be that bothered if someone else was ready first.
By the book you where correct Sawtooth but in a friendly, does it really matter who tee's off first? Do or they you gain any advantage? In fact I would say this is more etiquette than a rule. Though in Matchplay I would stick to this, any other format I wouldn't be that bothered if someone else was ready first.
sawtooth
Tour Winner
Agreed, in matchplay competition (proper) you should consider the honour ruling. An opponent can turn the screw on you by going first.
I just wont be applying the rule in friendlies its too controversial!!
I just wont be applying the rule in friendlies its too controversial!!
Smiffy
Grand Slam Winner
Where do you draw the line on rules infringements in friendly games though????
I play regularly with a very good mate called Norman who I am always out to beat, and he will try to outdo me whenever he can. Great friends, but a fierce rivalry on the golf course. One Sunday morning myself and another mate were playing Norman and another good friend in a betterball at Crowborough. A great game and it was nip and tuck all the way around. Went up the last all square and each of us was wanting to win.
Onto the last green, Normans partner was out of the hole but Norman had a chance of a putt to win the match. His partner indicated, by touching the line of the putt, where he thought Norman had to aim. A clear breach of the rules, and Normans face when it happened was a picture. He knew it was an infringement and both myself and my partner called it to win the match. Would you have done????
I play regularly with a very good mate called Norman who I am always out to beat, and he will try to outdo me whenever he can. Great friends, but a fierce rivalry on the golf course. One Sunday morning myself and another mate were playing Norman and another good friend in a betterball at Crowborough. A great game and it was nip and tuck all the way around. Went up the last all square and each of us was wanting to win.
Onto the last green, Normans partner was out of the hole but Norman had a chance of a putt to win the match. His partner indicated, by touching the line of the putt, where he thought Norman had to aim. A clear breach of the rules, and Normans face when it happened was a picture. He knew it was an infringement and both myself and my partner called it to win the match. Would you have done????
pokerjoke
Money List Winner
Definately a clear breach of rules.
inthehole
Hacker
The answer is NO, you were not in the wrong. If you are playing for money (however small the stake) then your opponent should accept that they got it wrong and take it in good grace. If I was them, even if I was annoyed I would pretend not to be so but it might make me even more determined!
Just like in Smiffys example, you are quite entitled to call it. When we play friendly matches, they are still VERY competitive - but in the best possible sense of the word with plenty of banter. Some people might consider the banter to be gamesmanship but to me if you have played any team sport then not only would you expect some but you would expect to be able to take it humourously. Unfortunately quite a few serious golfers who focus on golf and nothing else dont appear to be able appreciate competitive but fair ribbing.
In this case about the rules, the offenders should have taken it in better humour.
Just like in Smiffys example, you are quite entitled to call it. When we play friendly matches, they are still VERY competitive - but in the best possible sense of the word with plenty of banter. Some people might consider the banter to be gamesmanship but to me if you have played any team sport then not only would you expect some but you would expect to be able to take it humourously. Unfortunately quite a few serious golfers who focus on golf and nothing else dont appear to be able appreciate competitive but fair ribbing.
In this case about the rules, the offenders should have taken it in better humour.
