VW Emission lawsuit

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Liverpoolphil said:
Have they been asked to pay back any taxes ?

They bought the car expecting the cheaper tax which they got. Are they out of pocket ? Do they now pay more tax or have they exchanged the car for another one ( im guessing we are talking about leasing here ? )
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No Phil, we buy our cars outright, then depreciate them over 4 years.

If the emissions were to be reclassified, they would be out of pocket.

I suppose it's a matter of opinion but I would suggest that most companies look at the emission and subsequent tax brackets when looking into ordering company cars.

If, and it is an If, emissions regulations were reclassified, then companies could be considerably out of pocket.
 
One Planer said:
TBH I'm not sure Phil.

If the emissions were to be reclassified, they would be out of pocket.

I suppose it's a matter of opinion but I would suggest that most companies look at the emission and subsequent tax brackets when looking into ordering company cars.

If, and it is an If, emissions regulations were reclassified, then companies could be considerably out of pocket.
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Yes if companies or people become out of pocket then imo they have a right to claim compensation for that amount - that to me is reasonable grounds for claiming

If a company has bought a fleet of cars based on low tax brackets and they then get them classed in a higher bracket because of lies - that's clearly a case of the car manufacturer being liable for those losses. I guess if they were leased then the car goes back

If someone is genuinely out of pocket because of it all then it's a case to claim but a good number imo who it make not a blind difference the emissions and are clearly not out of pocket will just look to claim because they can and aim to get something for nothing
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why do they need to get it replaced ? The cars weren't faulty so didn't need to get repaired ?

Loss of confidence? Does the amount of emissions being given out suddenly make the car not drive as well ?

And how many can honestly say they bought because of the amount of emissions being produced and shown on a data sheet ?

No one is "out of pocket" financially. The figure on a data sheet didn't suddenly make the car stop or mean the car needed replacing.
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So the fair points I listed are ignored? OK,
I'll answer your points.

Is it beyond the realms of imagination to believe that somebody was looking for a new car and believed all the lies they were told and now have lost confidence in said car, they haven't got the mileage they were promised or they feel strongly about the enviroment?

All VW's affected are being recalled, some need both a software update and some replacement parts, ie at fault (faulty)

How can you state no one is out of pocket without answering my other points?
 
I am not aware of any vw being recalled. Recalls are for safety, not emissions. Dirty cars are not unsafe to drive.

Any adjustments made can easily wait until the next service.
 
As far as i know, no vw have been reclassified, for tax purposes either. I have not heard that this will be the case. Until it is, i am back to the what is being compensated for?
 
murphthemog said:
I am not aware of any vw being recalled. Recalls are for safety, not emissions. Dirty cars are not unsafe to drive.

Any adjustments made can easily wait until the next service.
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VW are recalling 1.2 million cars in the UK, VW statement.
 
pauldj42 said:
So the fair points I listed are ignored? OK,
I'll answer your points.
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Sorry which points did I miss ?

Is it beyond the realms of imagination to believe that somebody was looking for a new car and believed all the lies they were told and now have lost confidence in said car, they haven't got the mileage they were promised or they feel strongly about the enviroment?
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I haven't had one car do the MPG it states , I expect everyone is the same - the MPG will
Be given driving in the best possible conditions - mileage "promised" ? Sorry but I don't see that something that can be "claimed" against

As for being strongly about the "environment"
- they bought a car - a petrol guzzling car that will still put dangerous emissions into the atmosphere which even the low emission ones do that. How can someone "lose confidence" in a car that will be driving in the exact same way ?
All VW's affected are being recalled, some need both a software update and some replacement parts, ie at fault (faulty)

How can you state no one is out of pocket without answering my other points?
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Are the cars actually "faulty" and being "recalled" ?
 
pauldj42 said:
So the fair points I listed are ignored? OK,
I'll answer your points.

Is it beyond the realms of imagination to believe that somebody was looking for a new car and believed all the lies they were told and now have lost confidence in said car, they haven't got the mileage they were promised or they feel strongly about the enviroment?

All VW's affected are being recalled, some need both a software update and some replacement parts, ie at fault (faulty)

How can you state no one is out of pocket without answering my other points?
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No car mfr "promises" anything on fuel consumption. The figures stated are clearly obtained in laboratory conditions and nobody mature enough to buy a car ever anticipates matching those figures.

As for faulty the recall is no different to may other instances where mfrs recall vehicles for a minor adjustment and no compensation has been paid in those cases.

I am with Phil on this one. Just another example of the acquisitive "compo" culture now afflicting our society.

No issues with VW being fined but that money should be directed towards road safety or environmental programmes.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Sorry which points did I miss ?


I haven't had one car do the MPG it states , I expect everyone is the same - the MPG will
Be given driving in the best possible conditions - mileage "promised" ? Sorry but I don't see that something that can be "claimed" against

As for being strongly about the "environment"
- they bought a car - a petrol guzzling car that will still put dangerous emissions into the atmosphere which even the low emission ones do that. How can someone "lose confidence" in a car that will be driving in the exact same way ?


Are the cars actually "faulty" and being "recalled" ?
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Time off work to take car to Garage, time spent looking for replacement car.

Why judge others against your own standards?

Yesterday in the US
VW agrees to plead guilty to the emissions scandal and to pay $4.3 billion in penalties. Six VW executives are charged.

They obviously feel they've done something wrong, experts also reckon the higher emissions could of led to 58 more deaths due to the damage done to the enviroment. If they had told the truth about the emmission levels they would of failed to get a licence and their cars would not of been on the road without them first fixing it.
 
If the govt does not re-classify existing cars that people already have then no consumer is hit. If they do then that is a different matter but then they would be punishing an innocent party and I would be surprised if they did that. There has been no talk so far that they would do this.

Obviously, going forward VW's have been tested without the cheat device so new buyers are aware of the current emissions levels.

As I things stand I don't see any basis in this country for VW paying out to consumers. A fine to the govt, yes, but not to the consumer.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
In Germany, authorities have today told journalists that several manufacturers – three VW group marques (VW, Audi, Porsche) plus Mercedes-Benz and Opel, Vauxhall's German counterpart, are to effect a voluntary recall in order to update the software in their cars to reduce their NOx emissions.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/adv...cars-are-affected-will-my-mpg-decrease-and-s/
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You didn't even read the article properly, you just argue for argue's sake! This is from the article you linked.

VW has offered to fix affected models and expects to start the recall in January 2016. It is facing investigations in over a dozen countries as well as lawsuits from motorists.

You cut and pasted one tiny bit to make a point.

I've had enough, I'm out of this thread.
 
pauldj42 said:
You didn't even read the article properly, you just argue for argue's sake! This is from the article you linked.

VW has offered to fix affected models and expects to start the recall in January 2016. It is facing investigations in over a dozen countries as well as lawsuits from motorists.

You cut and pasted one tiny bit to make a point.

I've had enough, I'm out of this thread.
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? Sorry but again "offered" and voluntary recall for changes to be made to "lower" the emissions

The cars still work as they have done since the person bought them

The person has a choice if he wants to take the car in or not - it's not a safety recall to rectify a fault.

Remember it was you that responded to one of my comments and now it's you that is overreacting because you don't like what my opinion is. My opinion is the same as many others in this thread - people imo will be looking to claim just to gain something from nothing , i personally don't see any basis to give financial claims to customers - pay government fines yes but not customers. Now that opinion is the same as others - i would expect the same overreaction to their opinion as well ( but I guess you have run out of toys to throw )
 
Liverpoolphil said:
? Sorry but again "offered" and voluntary recall for changes to be made to "lower" the emissions

The cars still work as they have done since the person bought them

The person has a choice if he wants to take the car in or not - it's not a safety recall to rectify a fault.

Remember it was you that responded to one of my comments and now it's you that is overreacting because you don't like what my opinion is. My opinion is the same as many others in this thread - people imo will be looking to claim just to gain something from nothing , i personally don't see any basis to give financial claims to customers - pay government fines yes but not customers. Now that opinion is the same as others - i would expect the same overreaction to their opinion as well ( but I guess you have run out of toys to throw )
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Crystal clear here that cars will be recalled

http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/volksw...compensation-is-your-car-affected-latest-news
 
If you went for a club fitting and you hit their driver 300 yds every shot.
When you got home you could only hit it 200 yds .
you then found out that the OEM had doctored the software to just sell you the club would you feel cheated?
would you want a refund?
would you be happy with a adjustment but it still did not do what they promised you?
If they sold 1.2 million of these making a nice profit.
would you be happy for the government keeping all the fine they paid?
VW did this and have been caught.
Now Fiat and Crysler have been caught and they won't be the last!
 
clubchamp98 said:
If you went for a club fitting and you hit their driver 300 yds every shot.
When you got home you could only hit it 200 yds .
you then found out that the OEM had doctored the software to just sell you the club would you feel cheated?
would you want a refund?
would you be happy with a adjustment but it still did not do what they promised you?
If they sold 1.2 million of these making a nice profit.
would you be happy for the government keeping all the fine they paid?
VW did this and have been caught.
Now Fiat and Crysler have been caught and they won't be the last!
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But you haven't lost out have you, and in fact quite the opposite. If the true facts and figures had been told at the outset, you would more than likely have had to pay more in car tax.
Tyere will be more car manufacturers that will be caught up in the whole thing, if one make does it they all do.
However I can't help but feel it's the US Government that's pushing this to hit the non US car makers, just as they hammered the non US banks and oil companies .
 
clubchamp98 said:
If you went for a club fitting and you hit their driver 300 yds every shot.
When you got home you could only hit it 200 yds .
you then found out that the OEM had doctored the software to just sell you the club would you feel cheated?
would you want a refund?
would you be happy with a adjustment but it still did not do what they promised you?
If they sold 1.2 million of these making a nice profit.
would you be happy for the government keeping all the fine they paid?
VW did this and have been caught.
Now Fiat and Crysler have been caught and they won't be the last!
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This is not a fair comparison, as the emissions figures do not affect performance.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
If the govt does not re-classify existing cars that people already have then no consumer is hit. If they do then that is a different matter but then they would be punishing an innocent party and I would be surprised if they did that. There has been no talk so far that they would do this.

Obviously, going forward VW's have been tested without the cheat device so new buyers are aware of the current emissions levels.

As I things stand I don't see any basis in this country for VW paying out to consumers. A fine to the govt, yes, but not to the consumer.
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Completely agree with both this, and LPP. IF the cars are re-bracketed, then yes, people are out of pocket. Anything else at this point is band wagon jumping, and opportunism. These same people likely don't realise the more money in fines/compensation VW pay out, the more their next car will cost...
 
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