Vector Launch Monitor - The Analysis

[USER1999]

Just checked and my driver was measured on flightscope, which is the Aussie one, not Vector, but my irons were measured on Vector at Titleist. I am still pretty sure it all works on radar though.

On flight scope, my smash was definately 1.5.

 

[TonyN]

not sure about Irons I only think, I will ask tommorow for certain.

 

[PeterPumpkinEater]

Ahh I see. And was it a profesional quailified to fit? Or just a salesman?

On a serious note now. Take this an an eye opener because believe me, those stats are all over the place. If you have the cash, and are serious about your golf, get your self booked into somewhere for a propper fitting. Somewhere like the belfry or a local range who have all the different stock and launch monitor with qualified fitters. Is this what you intend to do?

I see you play off 15 and fail to understand how given the specs you have shown us. You must be damn good to be able to play too that using equipment that doesn't suit you. Imagine how well you could play if your equipment did suit you?

As was mentioned, stats should be roughly as follows

Ball speed should be 50% faster than club head so

Driver club head speed 90mph + 50%(45mph) = 135mph ball speed
Same difference with Irons.

Your back spin for driver should be about 3000rpm and gradually increasing through your clubs. 7000rpm for a driver is unbelievable.

I am not sure of exact launch angles but my 11.5 should be coming out at around 14 IIRC.

Sounds like I didn't get as good a fitting as I first thought! Looking at it logically now I see what you mean and it's good that you guys can tell me what I should be looking for as some of you have the experience on the machine, as you can probably see I dont know what I'm looking at......but do now.....'ish!

I hadn't really expected to go again for another fitting, and dont really want to as I felt that the softer shafted Nike with a higher loft was working for me. I do however feel a bit disapointed now that it was a bit of a waste of time on the launch monitor last night.

As for the 15 handicap v correct clubs, I could probably get a bit better yes. My approach play into the green (anything up to 190 yrds) is very good, but I get into SO much trouble off the tee, OOB's are not uncommon on my card. This is probably why I need to sort out my driver urgently. Like I say I like this Nike SasQuatch Sumo driver and Online golf are doing it for £119.99 and I have 90 days to return it if I dont get on well with it.

 

[Parmo]

I think this is where custom fitting for the average golfer falls down and puts people off and pushes people to shop online for off the shelf kit. A good local pro can usual fit you well as can AG or any other retailer, but when you get it done to a bad standard it not only defeats the object of the fitting but knocks ones confidence in the stick or sticks bought. Maybe R&A or whom ever should have courses for people to become fitters and users of kit like the vector?

 

[andiritchie]

Thats some serious back spin how do you cope playing into the wind does everything ballon,you need get that driver lauch up to around 14 and the spin right down you will prob gain 30 yards straight away

 

[PeterPumpkinEater]

I think this is where custom fitting for the average golfer falls down and puts people off and pushes people to shop online for off the shelf kit. A good local pro can usual fit you well as can AG or any other retailer, but when you get it done to a bad standard it not only defeats the object of the fitting but knocks ones confidence in the stick or sticks bought. Maybe R&A or whom ever should have courses for people to become fitters and users of kit like the vector?

I think you have hit the nail on the head my friend. I for one have a bag full of clubs which I've either hit a few balls down the range with or bought from the internet either on the cheap or from good reviews.

This I feel is down to my own ignorance or lack of experience and also emphasises the need for more specialist fittings centres (business idea?) for not just the average golfer but for all standards.

 

[krokodil]

This 50% extra for the ball speed is concerning me.

My stats (on Trackman) with a driver:

Club speed=110.2
Ball speed=147.3
Smash=1.34

The guy told me a smash of 1.5 is perfect contact.

 

[TonyN]

krok it is perfect but it isn't hard to be to far away. I wasn't with a club head speed of about 90 and ball speed of about132/133.

PPE I think you need a few lessons and maybe some drills. Look for the 3 ball drill on videojug and how to hit long straight drives both vids will give you a great idea of how to remedy your slice. I think CF should only be done when you have a swing your happy with. If you get fitted for clubs, get lessons, make swing adjustments the clubs won't be right.

 

[krokodil]

Tony I'd love to get that 1.5 then,

I know I'm not generating sufficient clubhead speed in relation to my swing, but I didnt think I was that far out.

 

[viscount17]

krok, is it feasible to be swinging too fast?

 

[RGuk]

Driver
Club Head Speed - 90.3mph
Ball Speed - 111.6mph
Launch Angle - 10.3deg
Back Spin Rate - 7046rpm

I can't comment on the backspin rate but I do know that when tested with a machine/robot, both 85 and 95 mph clubhead speed with driver gave the best carry with 11 degrees loft. However, I would add, the launch angle in ideal conditions should be nearer 14 degrees.

Where's this going Dave?

So, if the figures are right, you'd certainly find an 11 or 12 degree driver would give you the best of both worlds.
I have a 12 and a 10 degree driver......why? you ask? because of the way I swing the club, I get about 13 degrees launch off the 10 degree and 15 off the 12 degree....

BUT, this does vary from round to round, if I'm hitting it higher (and know that I am, visually, if you like) I drop back down to the 10. If the 10 starts getting a little low (i.e. runs, but doesn't carry), I go back to the 12.....

Confused....?.....you will be.

I should have just bought ONE really, something bang on 11 with 14 degrees launch.

 

[krokodil]

krok, is it feasible to be swinging too fast?

viscount, more than probably, but my difficulty is I've swung the club this way for 15 years and can honestly say that I've always felt my swing under control. My pro says that I shouldn't try and diminsh this, BUT, i'm losing coil through straighteningmy right leg on the backswing and thus using my arms too much for the follow through.

 

[Leftie]

Taking on board everything said, you don't think that they were just trying to get you to change your clubs and make a sale, do you?

What, me a cynic? Nah

 

[PeterPumpkinEater]

Taking on board everything said, you don't think that they were just trying to get you to change your clubs and make a sale, do you?

What, me a cynic? Nah

Had crossed my mind, but they said that my irons were ok but if I wanted a little more distance then I could change, but they didnt see the point and neither do I.
The driver is certainly a BIG problem for me and after hitting the Nike Sasquatch 11.5deg Reg really well I have just ordered one from onlinegolf, If I dont get on well with it on the course I can always utilise the 90day exchange policy.

 

[PeterPumpkinEater]

krok it is perfect but it isn't hard to be to far away. I wasn't with a club head speed of about 90 and ball speed of about132/133.

PPE I think you need a few lessons and maybe some drills. Look for the 3 ball drill on videojug and how to hit long straight drives both vids will give you a great idea of how to remedy your slice. I think CF should only be done when you have a swing your happy with. If you get fitted for clubs, get lessons, make swing adjustments the clubs won't be right.

I have had lessons recently and my Pro reckons that I just need to practice now as everything except for this one thing is fine but will take a little bit of getting used to, i'll explain.

I had a video lesson and he said that everything on my take back is perfect, but as I bring the club down I'm casting the club out-in and what i need to concentrate on is using the left arm from the top of the backswing closer to the body to 3o'clock and then the right arm/wrist takes over and whips the club through impact.

I have tried the 3-ball drill and it is very similar to the Leadbetter one that I have adopted. By putting a ball 18" behind and 2" in, you swing outside the ball on the backswing and inside it on the way down and through, this is because most people pick the club up on an inside line and are therefore cramped and swing out-in on the way back. I have adopted this really well with my irons and this morning I took 4&8 irons and a different driver down the range. The irons were fantastic in fact I hit the 200yrd board with the 4iron and perfectly straight. Out came the Driver (Admas Ovation Offset 9.5deg Reg High Launch Mid Kick shaft)..........SLICE!

Keep at it i suppose.

 

[TonyN]

Sounds to me like you may be trying to play your driver like your irons instead of sweeping it away, dunno though. Good luck trying to sort it out anyway.

 

[PeterPumpkinEater]

I think you're right mate, and thanks.

 

[Parmo]

I was told that to change a any part of your swing permanently you need to do a min 10,000 reps!!

Chin up Peter

 

[TonyN]

1000 chubb, muscle memory!

 

[Parmo]

My bad then my muscles are still killing me after I have started to change my swing last weekend!!

Not so bad then Peter, more golf is needed