SwingsitlikeHogan
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You need to tell May and the Tories your vision of what Brexit means as they don't seem to be able to articulate it yet.
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You need to tell May and the Tories your vision of what Brexit means as they don't seem to be able to articulate it yet.
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User62651
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If you are going into a negotiation you dont announce to the world what your intentions are before you start, there will be give and take on every point that comes up for negotitiation, hundreds of them.
The only one that seems critical to Brexiters is the freedom of movement issue - seems absolutley clear we wont get unrestricted access to the single market without that condition, so to get 'our borders back' we will be paying tariffs out of a point of principle by the EU (or else there's no reason for any other countries to stay in EU). Whether we suck that up as our cost for departing or charge reciprocal tarriffs I dont know. Perhaps our new unlimited access to trade around the world will more than cover that extra cost of EU tarriffs.:mmm:
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
“I’m not saying I’ve got a better idea. I’m just saying democracy seems to be a bit broken and maybe we should fix it."
Whats undemocratic about the Conservative Party selecting a new leader when the previous resigned. I cant recall a box on the ballot paper asking who I would like as Prime Minister.
She will get her chance to fix things at the next election, something she wouldn't be able to do with the EU.
If she doesn't have a better idea then put up.
Foxholer
Blackballed
44% of all UK exports go to EU and 54% of UK imports come from the EU.
Around 10% of EU imports/exports are from/to UK!
Given those figures, I'd suggest UK would be blinking very quickly! UK-EU trade is much more important percentage-wise to UK than it is to EU - though obviously, the numbers are identical!
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
You do realise that this is satirical web site and the person they are quoting is made up? And it is poking fun at the people moaning about us being controlled by unelected officials in Brussels and wanting to regain control, but who refuse to see the irony in the current situation.
ColchesterFC
Journeyman Pro
I would suspect that Germany would blink before either the EU or the UK.
Looking at just two business sectors Germany export 820000 cars to the UK each year which is one fifth of their total output and means the UK is their largest market by volume and worth almost 18 billion euros per year. German machinery producers exported 6.8 billion euros worth of machinery to the UK last year, the 4th largest market for German engineering firms.
I imagine pressure would be put on the EU by Germany to conclude a favourable trade deal to both sides especially if the UK could go into negotiations with outline trade deals already agreed with countries such as Japan for imports of their cars.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Maybe the tariffs we would put on EU goods would balance them out and even better would encourage us to buy British or from other countries that don't apply tariffs. As we import around £80 Billion more from the EU than they do from us (and that figure is growing fast) is a good card to hold in negotiations. Most of those imports are from a few the larger economies in the EU as many member states don't have a great deal to offer us outside tourism so suggestions that we are not very important to them are blinkered.
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SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
But it's a stupid point. Our method of electing a government and PM is nothing like the way the EU operates.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
Very true matey, The UK's would probably shame a 3rd world country at the mo.
USER1999
Grand Slam Winner
Really? Seriously?
C'mon Foxy, that's poor, lazy thinking.
VW/Audi have already lobbied German ministers and the EU over free trade. Merkel wants, note WANTS, as open a relationship with the UK as she can possibly get, whilst Juncker wants to send a message to the rest of the EU that leaving isn't viable.
Germany holds the purse strings for the EU, and the German electorate holds Merkel's job in their hands. Do you honestly believe she/they will risk one of their biggest markets?
The EU finance minister is already making noises about the unfair hold the UK has over taxes in Europe if it decides to lower business taxes in the UK. Rather than drive business out of the UK, he's worried it will take business away from the EU. France are already being aggressive in trying to counter this threat.
Having a (financial) foundation block pulled out of the EU is going to cause them a whole heap of trouble. Forcing excessive hardship onto the foundation block by way of tariffs isn't really that wise.
SocketRocket
Ryder Cup Winner
Unbelievable! Ha, Haaa, Haaaaaa, Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!! Im splitting my sides thats so funny :rofl:
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
I listened to Theresa May there - and you know I am relieved as I was able to listen. I would have really struggled if it had been Johnson or Leadsom - and yet still some in the Tory party MPs, members and supporters would have had both of them as PM ahead of May. Phew - narrow escape for the UK! I can take the sound of her so will see how she goes.
Bunkermagnet
Journeyman Pro
I'm not a Tory, however right now I think May is the right person to try and sort this whole shambles out.
Doon frae Troon
Ryder Cup Winner
I thought her wee speech was very good.
But there again so was Margaret Thatchers.
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Yes I agree - fine words - let's see.
Boris Johnson is Foreign Secretary - Really?????? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-36789972
He doesn't strike me as having the nous and political temperament to handle potentially difficult situations
He doesn't strike me as having the nous and political temperament to handle potentially difficult situations
SwingsitlikeHogan
Major Champion
Well he wanted to be PM so he has a chance to prove himself - or crash and burn.
ger147
Tour Winner
With May and Hammond now in post, what about Clarkson???
