Tory Leader Competition.

Prefer May just because she's a safe pair of hands, Leadsom seems a bit naive in some of the comments/press she's doing, she may be capable enough but inexperienced at top level of govt. Also dont believe Leadsom is any more pro leave than May (or Boris) given the comments from a few years back re the EU.
Expect May to cruise through.
 
Leadsom is basically Farage in a dress. May has the overwhelming support of the MPs, but there is a fear that the party membership do tend to be more elderly and right wing/fringe UKIP, and some would rather have their person in and the government fail (IDS anyone) than chose a less Faragey type candidate who has the support of MPs. So they may support Leadsom. And you may end up with both of our main political parties being lead by a person who most of their MPs do not want there.

So once again, well done everyone. I blame Mark Carney, he should be talking May up.
 
Oh are the Tories not having a load of fun. First of all - being feart of UKIP - they foist a referendum on us and notwithstanding the intentions of their leader we find ourselves heading out of the EU; and then we are faced with the prospect of a PM who basically hasn't a clue - who thinks that some vague ideas, a dodgy dossier of a CV, and a manic smile - is all that is needed to woo the Tory faithful and run our blessed country - oh what a hoot they are having.

Gove, Leadsom, Johnson, IDS, Greyling aided and abetted by Associate in Chief Farage...these are the folk who have got us to where we are today, and some actually believe that Leadsom is just the person to make it all good. Honest to God. Can't imagine I am becoming such a fan of Teresa May.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Gove, Leadsom, Johnson, IDS, Greyling aided and abetted by Associate in Chief Farage...these are the folk who have got us to where we are today, and some actually believe that Leadsom is just the person to make it all good. Honest to God. Can't imagine I am becoming such a fan of Teresa May.
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Maybe a bit of spin by me but a thought to ponder. Who created the climate for the above to succeed? Who mismanaged things to the extent that elements of the far right could gain traction?

I genuinely don't know the answer, if there is one anyway, but to use a cliché, "you reap what you sow." Badly managed by senior politicians charged to run the UK and ultimately voted for by the populace. I suppose you could say we got what we deserved. We voted them in, whether its the current crop or the previous one.
 
Hobbit said:
Maybe a bit of spin by me but a thought to ponder. Who created the climate for the above to succeed? Who mismanaged things to the extent that elements of the far right could gain traction?

I genuinely don't know the answer, if there is one anyway, but to use a cliché, "you reap what you sow." Badly managed by senior politicians charged to run the UK and ultimately voted for by the populace. I suppose you could say we got what we deserved. We voted them in, whether its the current crop or the previous one.
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I think there has always been the far right element in the Tory party and now and then they see their opportunity to try and drag the party further to the right. And this is such an occasion. I'm not sure it is any devious cunning long term plan, they just make the most of any opportunity should it arise. As the far left have done in Labour at the moment.

Being a woolly liberal I really do not like the ideological swing to the extremes either side, as I believe most things need compromise to achieve any long term success and buy in from the general public. The further you lurch one way, the more you disenfranchise those on the opposite side. But I am sure other opinions are available.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
Oh are the Tories not having a load of fun. First of all - being feart of UKIP - they foist a referendum on us and notwithstanding the intentions of their leader we find ourselves heading out of the EU; and then we are faced with the prospect of a PM who basically hasn't a clue - who thinks that some vague ideas, a dodgy dossier of a CV, and a manic smile - is all that is needed to woo the Tory faithful and run our blessed country - oh what a hoot they are having.

Gove, Leadsom, Johnson, IDS, Greyling aided and abetted by Associate in Chief Farage...these are the folk who have got us to where we are today, and some actually believe that Leadsom is just the person to make it all good. Honest to God. Can't imagine I am becoming such a fan of Teresa May.
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Yup, me too. I think if Leadsom gets in we will just end up in a depressing position like the US, where the two main parties just automatically ideologically oppose anything the other side says, even if the majority of the nation wants it (stricter gun laws anyone) and nothing gets done apart from through executive orders. May may be the least worst option. And if Labour can sort themselves out and get in someone a bit more less 'comraidy', then may be we can get back to having a slightly more tolerant political landscape with a bit of compromise and the odd policy based on what most of the nation needs, not just extreme political ideology.
 
SwingsitlikeHogan said:
- they foist a referendum on us and notwithstanding the intentions of their leader we find ourselves heading out of the EU.
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Do you have any idea of politics, your starting to sound like someone who is just a born moaner.

The Tories did not foist a referendum on us, it was a pledge in their manifesto and possibly the only real promise they have stuck to which resulted in their success in the general election.
 
Old Skier said:
Do you have any idea of politics, your starting to sound like someone who is just a born moaner.

The Tories did not foist a referendum on us, it was a pledge in their manifesto and possibly the only real promise they have stuck to which resulted in their success in the general election.
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I am rather on the side of those who express the notion that Cameron never actually expected or intended there to be a referendum - it's inclusion in the manifesto being a political expediency to pull the rug from under the feet of UKIP.

I actually think (pray) that May may do OK in getting some things sorted one way or another - is that positive enough from someone who really has not a lot of time for the Tories.
 
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Old Skier said:
Do you have any idea of politics, your starting to sound like someone who is just a born moaner.

The Tories did not foist a referendum on us, it was a pledge in their manifesto and possibly the only real promise they have stuck to which resulted in their success in the general election.
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As I have said in another post, the tories success was built upon fears over the Labour/SNP alliance and also about what Labour would do to the economy. I very much doubt the fact that they would hold a referendum crossed many peoples minds when they were putting their cross on the piece of paper for them. There was probably a UKIP candidate standing for most seats that would have taken the vote of those that saw the EU as a major issue, not the Tory candidate.
 
The referendum had two objectives, 1 steal votes from ukip, and 2 appease the leavers in the Tory party.
It did both, but it was a poor strategy for the country and a bunch of muppets not actually realising that they were two different things. The Tory leavers should have joined ukip and formed a party and contested seats. Then the Tory party would have been free, but not strong enough to win an election against labour having destroyed the liberals ...
Just the desperation of keeping labour out of no. 10....
 
harpo_72 said:
The referendum had two objectives, 1 steal votes from ukip, and 2 appease the leavers in the Tory party.
It did both, but it was a poor strategy for the country and a bunch of muppets not actually realising that they were two different things. The Tory leavers should have joined ukip and formed a party and contested seats. Then the Tory party would have been free, but not strong enough to win an election against labour having destroyed the liberals ...
Just the desperation of keeping labour out of no. 10....
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Are you really suggesting the majority of voters were Muppets?
 
FairwayDodger said:
Trust the tories to come up with a candidate that even makes Theresa May look like a good option. The prospect of leadsom as pm is truly terrifying!
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Along with Corbyn & Strugeon it looks like British Politics have gone mad and the public don't help. Unfortunately its not just a Tory thing but the public obviously feel there the best of a bad bunch. Why are so many candidates so poor throughout the political system, is this a product of the "I don't care less" society?
 
Getting entry to the 'political classes' is proving ever more difficult as it becomes more of a closed shop...

For example, my MP has no merit other than he is the son of a Tory grandee and has been gifted [more or less] a job for life.... I am sure there are plenty of other examples of this from all sides of the political spectrum...

The 'rank and file' need to start speaking up more and ensure that they actually get heard...
 
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