Today's HOC Vote

It's a no vote from me.

As an aside, if the Syrian refugees all went to the nearest safe Arab country for sanctuary, then maybe said safe Arab country might want to get more involved in Syria. And I'm not talking big refugee camps here, but taking people in, and assimilating them into the population, as people expect the west to do.
 
The real problem is if parliament were to vote yes, would it lead to boots on the ground - I think it will.

Now we get to the situation where boots on the ground becomes a reality, we are now sending our lads/ladies into a fight with an enemy with absolutely no regard to/for life - that is a seriously scary thought.
Can you imagine one of our captured soldiers being beheaded or burned or skinned alive for the whole world to see on social media.

I would usually say yes, as I think something has to be done, however, maybe the money should be spent on Internal Defence and shoring up things at home.

It's also very complicate over there, especially with Russia being involved!

Only time will tell how things pan out. :confused:
 
Old Skier said:
Public already voted. They get paid to make the nasty decisions.
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Er....I don't recall this actually happening!

This specific topic wasn't part of any manifesto!

Though I appreciate what you are indicating, and I agree that this is part of what they in Parliament to do, then unless they hold their own survey pr were elected on the basis that they will use their conscience in such matters, then you cannot link the 2 actions!

There's actually some pretty good speeches being made - for both arguments - and it's times like these where some of the positive qualities of politicians are really demonstrated.
 
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Foxholer said:
Er....I don't recall this actually happening!

This specific topic wasn't part of any manifesto!

Though I appreciate what you are indicating, and I agree that this is part of what they in Parliament to do, then unless they hold their own survey pr were elected on the basis that they will use their conscience in such matters, then you cannot link the 2 actions!

There's actually some pretty good speeches being made - for both arguments - and it's times like these where some of the positive qualities of politicians are really demonstrated.
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Yes, and why Cameron (who has been a pretty good PM - this being spoken by an anarchist communist pacifist here) was VERY wrong to call people what he did yesterday - those sort of statements bring proper debate of important issues down. He should have apologised, said it was about how importan this is to him, but that he went too far. Now I don't think I can trust him if he has got to the point where his hubristic nature has influenced his decision making. If he doesn't take it back, personally I think it is unbecoming of an international leading PM and he should offer to resign. He should carefully look at what he and his party have said about their predecessors and watch he doesn't do exactly the same. Very disappointing
 
To be honest with the amount of countries already involved our input isn't going to make much difference other than highlighting the UK as a target. Does that mean I'm against us joining in?
No, that decision is up to those in power from ALL parties not just the tories.
The only way to stop this is to have troops on the ground which has to be sanctioned by the UN. I don't think that decision will be made by the UN either as I can see Russia doing it by themselves with Putin in charge and the bringing down of the Russian airliner.
As for the refugees from Syria it has become far too obvious that it gives the extremists a route into Europe with little resistance from the authorities. This, for me, is a bigger problem than the propaganda being banded around on social media by IS.

Personally I would rather see the country go into lockdown for the time being and ensure the safety of these shores on these shores.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
.......and here are the results from the Scottish MP's.
57 against bombing, 2 for.

The journalists will probably call that a close result.:lol:
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Thought the vote was at ten - not being presumptuous are you ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Thought the vote was at ten - not being presumptuous are you ?
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Probably will be about right given the SNP and that joker Salmond's stance.

Not sure why DfT would expect anything different, I'm sure WoS has been full of Salmond's chat.

Not sure which way I would vote, whilst past failures shouldn't necessarily stop us being "active" they should inform the decision in so far as well defined strategies (including exit strategies) that I'm not sure are there....

Fully expect the vote to be for us to get involved though.
 
NWJocko said:
Probably will be about right given the SNP and that joker Salmond's stance.

Not sure why DfT would expect anything different, I'm sure WoS has been full of Salmond's chat.

Not sure which way I would vote, whilst past failures shouldn't necessarily stop us being "active" they should inform the decision in so far as well defined strategies (including exit strategies) that I'm not sure are there....

Fully expect the vote to be for us to get involved though.
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Yes it is expected - I would expect it's more about them wanting to be seen and heard to going against the government.

Guys on the radio saying they expect it to go through
 
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