Today's HOC Vote

Lord Tyrion said:
I am not as willing to believe every statement put out by the govt and security services of this type. They clearly can not show the evidence of these, sources etc, so we only have their word on it. It is in their vested interest for people to believe this, govt gets its way, services get more money ploughed into it. Do I believe some of what they say, yes. Do I believe all of it, no. We must always question.
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I agree, I've seen Spectre and look what happened there!!!!;)
 
Lord Tyrion said:
I am not as willing to believe every statement put out by the govt and security services of this type. They clearly can not show the evidence of these, sources etc, so we only have their word on it. It is in their vested interest for people to believe this, govt gets its way, services get more money ploughed into it. Do I believe some of what they say, yes. Do I believe all of it, no. We must always question.
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It will all depend on how much trust you have or how paranoid you are

Services won't get extra funding based on stories given out to the press - behind the closed doors all the details will be known

We don't always have to question if you trust our security forces to do a good job - and have to separate the government from the guys doing the job.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
It will all depend on how much trust you have or how paranoid you are

Services won't get extra funding based on stories given out to the press - behind the closed doors all the details will be known

We don't always have to question if you trust our security forces to do a good job - and have to separate the government from the guys doing the job.
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I don't think it's paranoia, I think it's experience.

"The first victim of war is truth"
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Yes.

Did you miss this whole thing? What else do you call it when you democratically vote to go and blow up another country?
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Air Strikes at the moment at strategic targets as opposed "blowing up another country"

All semantics as such but the terminology maybe over stating right now - is the UK at war against another country - technically no we aren't
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Air Strikes at the moment at strategic targets as opposed "blowing up another country"

All semantics as such but the terminology maybe over stating right now - is the UK at war against another country - technically no we aren't
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It may be semantics, but given it's the "war on terror", and we're going into other countries and blowing things up, then yes we are at war.

You can't say "ISIL aren't a country", as imo, that doesn't count any more. The world has moved on. That's like saying Vietnam wasn't a war....
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
It may be semantics, but given it's the "war on terror", and we're going into other countries and blowing things up, then yes we are at war.

You can't say "ISIL aren't a country", as imo, that doesn't count any more. The world has moved on. That's like saying Vietnam wasn't a war....
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As I said - semantics

Right now I wouldn't count the UK at war but it's all words and how people want to interpret things - some would say we have been at War since the 80's in some way or another

Germany have added a few more things to the coalition effort now

http://forces.tv/96045403
 
Hacker Khan said:
A scenario, a bomb from the RAF misses its target and kills 25 innocent children. One of the fathers of the children is so incensed he vows to take revenge on the west. A few years later he sets off a dirty bomb in the underground in London killing 100s of commuters and tourists.

Anyone can come up with hypothetical and fanciful situations that you can make as far fetched as you want to to try and justify an argument.
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The difference is that we don't target innocent children. We target Daesh who do target innocent children.
 
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