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You can accept it - for me it's people using it as an excuse for their own slow play
The real cause of slow play.....
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You can accept it - for me it's people using it as an excuse for their own slow play
Slab
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Maybe its only those people that have the foresight & who want an effective, complete solution to slow play, while others are happy just to target the role players have because they're an easy target
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Or maybe I have played on courses where the rough isn't the issue and its the people hitting the ball that are causing the slow play
Slab
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You should get out more
Get out plenty :thup:
Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
But only to fine courses with slow players
Airlie_Andy
Challenge Tour Pro
In my humble opinion its the set up of the course that causes the really long delays and the slow play of the golfers that compounds the problem. Even the quickest groups will have a slow round if they are constantly searching for lost balls in thick rough. Again in my humble opinion the rough should be there to make your next shot harder and not so you can't play one at all because you can't find it.
seasidehacker
Assistant Pro
I think it would be great if either the club manager or the pro whipped round on a buggy every so often to speed people up. I have been stuck behind some awful players recently. One group was so bad (and didnt wave people through) that people had to walk off the course 4 holes early as the sun was setting...so selfish
MadAdey
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IMO it is a combination of both players and courses. Like people have already said about people messing around when it is their turn to play. When I played at Spalding they decided to tackle the problem of the crap either side of the fairway swallowing balls up. They cleared out all the long grass and crap that was in the wooded areas, got rid of the knee deep rough that was wide of the fairways. Monthly medal scores stayed pretty much the same, but at the weekend a 4-ball was now getting round 30 mins faster. All that happened was they got rid of the ball swallowing grass.
If you get a 4-ball of mid range handicappers it is fair to say that between them on average will hit 10 drives that requires searching for. If they use the allotted 5 mins they have now added 50 mins to their round. Even if they are letting groups through, they are causing a bottle neck. Get rid of the stupidly long grass 10 yards from the fairway and they will now find at least half of those bad drives, which obviously has now reduced their round time by 25 minutes. Less time letting people through, less of a bottle neck happening, everyone has a faster round.
If you get a 4-ball of mid range handicappers it is fair to say that between them on average will hit 10 drives that requires searching for. If they use the allotted 5 mins they have now added 50 mins to their round. Even if they are letting groups through, they are causing a bottle neck. Get rid of the stupidly long grass 10 yards from the fairway and they will now find at least half of those bad drives, which obviously has now reduced their round time by 25 minutes. Less time letting people through, less of a bottle neck happening, everyone has a faster round.
effayjay
Club Champion
Placing tees right next to greens slows things down a lot. Something that course planners should think about more.
In the summer we have some places of thick rough where if you go in, it's knee high and almost certainly a lost ball. However these are a long way off the playing line and so needs a pretty poor shot to find it. However I and others do, but as long as you put a provisional in play immediately and have a cursory look (or call those behind through if you want to look properly) then we seem to move round the course pretty well most weekends at peak times and in competition play.
richart
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Good post Gordon.:thup:
pokerjoke
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Or you can just give 6ft putts
richart
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Fixed for you.
PNWokingham
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Foxholer
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I agree about the deep grass/crap amongst trees! Going into a group of trees is very often going to cost you a shot that the bad shot deserved, so no need to punish further.
Not sure about the 'stupidly long' stuff, though 10 yards is perhaps a bit close. Del's course has very few trees, so rough acts as the protection/threat for poor shots. If it's considered the same as Rhododendrons, that border many holes elsewhere, it wouldn't even be considered somewhere you would contemplate going! Having been 'brought up' on links and a seriously tight tree-lined course, I learned rapidly to avoid such areas!
Tashyboy
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Our course has put posts and rope in front of every green to protect the front of greens through the winter. They are an excellent idea of which all at the course approve of. They are anything from 10-30 yd in front of the greens.
why oh flippin why do players then leave there trolleys in front of the ropes when putting, to then walk up to 50 yd back to the trolley to walk back past the green to the next tee.
why oh flippin why do players then leave there trolleys in front of the ropes when putting, to then walk up to 50 yd back to the trolley to walk back past the green to the next tee.
The main protections at Batchworth Park are the wind, it is extremely exposed being on the side of hill facing into the prevailing wind, water hazards, deep bunkers, rough, and the generally rather sloping greens. It does now have some reasonably mature trees and lots of gorse bushes. Playing at an away course a few weeks ago, I was surprised how often balls ran through the rather shallow bunkers and out the other side. That NEVER happens at Batchworth! I have a theory that the course designer, Dave Thomas, also designed black holes in his spare time, as the bunkers seem to gather in golf balls from all sides! It really doesn't need stupidly long rough!
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Slab
Occasional Tour Caddy
Because if the ball is between the rope and the pin then there is zero time saved by traipsing to the rear to dump bag only to return to the front to play shot
It really doesn't matter which option you take to leave the bag in this scenario, it uses up the same amount of time
(the only benefit, if you can even call it that, of leaving at the rear is the following group 'feel' like you've done the right thing even though its irrelevant to pace)
Foxholer
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The main protections at Batchworth Park are the wind, it is extremely exposed being on the side of hill facing into the prevailing wind, water hazards, deep bunkers, rough, and the generally rather sloping greens. It does now have some reasonably mature trees and lots of gorse bushes. Playing at an away course a few weeks ago, I was surprised how often balls ran through the rather shallow bunkers and out the other side. That NEVER happens at Batchworth! I have a theory that the course designer, Dave Thomas, also designed black holes in his spare time, as the bunkers seem to gather in golf balls from all sides! It really doesn't need stupidly long rough!
Wind is a factor, but it is never the 'main' protection! That's the case even on links courses. The 'protection' is the physical stuff like bunkers, rough, water, trees etc. that the wind can, somewhat unpredictably, send a mis-hit ball into! The fact that that there are few trees in the 'middle' - as opposed to the boundary - of the course (a row between 6 and 7 is the only significant group and hardly a factor on either) simply means that you are always aware of whatever breeze is about - same as many other 'open' courses.
So just treat the deep rough like Rhodies - or Gorse - and stay out of it rather than constantly trying to make the game easier!
