The Davis Cup

Liverpoolphil said:
How big is that trophy ?! Makes the Stanley Cup look like the Ashes :D

With that win today that for me puts Murray into the top level of British Sportsmen/women - alongside the likes of Hoy , Redgrave , Anslie etc - the best we have seen
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Well played that British tennis player Andy Murray! He would still be Scottish if he had lost! :thup:
 
Liverpoolphil said:
How big is that trophy ?! Makes the Stanley Cup look like the Ashes :D

With that win today that for me puts Murray into the top level of British Sportsmen/women - alongside the likes of Hoy , Redgrave , Anslie etc - the best we have seen
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Really????????????????? Against two Belguim players not as highly ranked? He was expected to deliver and had it gone to the final game we'd be waiting another year to get the cup
 
Let's be fair, we wouldn't have won the cup without Andy Murray, for goodness sake give him the credit he's due!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
How big is that trophy ?! Makes the Stanley Cup look like the Ashes :D

With that win today that for me puts Murray into the top level of British Sportsmen/women - alongside the likes of Hoy , Redgrave , Anslie etc - the best we have seen
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Sorry mate but I have to disagree entirely.

These guys you mention are Olympic champions over many many years.

Murray has had many chances to join great sportsmen but usually comes up short and has done on many occasions.

As Homer points out these victories were expected and if he had not delivered once again he would have failed.

However we would not have won without him and I give him lots of credit for that and sometimes putting the nation before himself.
 
pokerjoke said:
Sorry mate but I have to disagree entirely.

These guys you mention are Olympic champions over many many years.

Murray has had many chances to join great sportsmen but usually comes up short and has done on many occasions.

As Homer points out these victories were expected and if he had not delivered once again he would have failed.

However we would not have won without him and I give him lots of credit for that and sometimes putting the nation before himself.
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Murray had now won two grand slams , an Olympic gold medal and steered his country to winning the Davis Cup for the first time in 80 years

It wasn't just the final were he is judged it's throughout the whole comp where he is unbeaten - stunning record throughout the Davis Cup and GB had the tougher run.

Yep for me he is amongst those Olympic winners because his achievements over his careers are up there.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Murray had now won two grand slams , an Olympic gold medal and steered his country to winning the Davis Cup for the first time in 80 years

It wasn't just the final were he is judged it's throughout the whole comp where he is unbeaten - stunning record throughout the Davis Cup and GB had the tougher run.

Yep for me he is amongst those Olympic winners because his achievements over his careers are up there.
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Me and you obviously see sport differently.

2 grand slams against 5 Olympic golds over a 20 year period.
Murray has lost miles more than he has won.

As for the Davis Cup its mickey mouse league
 
pokerjoke said:
Me and you obviously see sport differently.

2 grand slams against 5 Olympic golds over a 20 year period.
Murray has lost miles more than he has won.

As for the Davis Cup its mickey mouse league
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Mickey Mouse ?! Twaddle - it's one of the most illustrious sports comps around

And you seem to be ignoring Murray winning an Olympic gold himself on top of his grand slam titles - doesnt matter what finals he has lost he is GB only grand slam winner ( male )in 70 plus years and now Davis Cup winner in 70 plus years.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Mickey Mouse ?! Twaddle - it's one of the most illustrious sports comps around

And you seem to be ignoring Murray winning an Olympic gold himself on top of his grand slam titles - doesnt matter what finals he has lost he is GB only grand slam winner ( male )in 70 plus years and now Davis Cup winner in 70 plus years.
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Of course its mickey mouse if it was that important the big players would play every year but they don't they pick and choose the same as Murray has done in the past.
Players see majors as much more important.

Even at the Olympics its the same players they play week in week out on tour so its no different just because its the Olympics makes it different maybe the equivalent of a major so you could say he has 3.

As I said we see sport differently
 
HomerJSimpson said:
Really????????????????? Against two Belguim players not as highly ranked? He was expected to deliver and had it gone to the final game we'd be waiting another year to get the cup
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But it didn't go to the final game as he has won all the Davis Cup games he had played in this year. Playing 3 games in 3 days. You can't question someone's greatness as they only beat people who are not as good and he was expected to win. As that is what makes them great. That's the whole point.
 
Not sure how you see sport but I'm willing to see and recognise and congratulate great achievements

Murray is the best tennis player these shores has seen since the early 20th century - won the biggest comps there is both as a single and in a team - all he has left to do is win the French and Aus which is something not many Tennis players have done the career grand slam. So his achievements for me put him amongst the best sportsmen the shores has seen and possibly the best tennis player we have seen.

In the Davis Cup which has been won by the likes of Federer and Co in the 100 year illustrious history ( their reactions when they won suggest it's far from Mickey Mouse ) Murrray has won 12 straights rubbers - 4 times he has won three rubbers in two days - that's very rare and not even Federer and Djkovic did that.
 
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Liverpoolphil said:
Not sure how you see sport but I'm willing to see and recognise and congratulate great achievements

Murray is the best tennis player these shores has seen since the early 20th century - won the biggest comps there is both as a single and in a team - all he has left to do is win the French and Aus which is something not many Tennis players have done the career grand slam. So his achievements for me put him amongst the best sportsmen the shores has seen and possibly the best tennis player we have seen.

In the Davis Cup which has been won by the likes of Federer and Co in the 100 year illustrious history ( their reactions when they won suggest it's far from Mickey Mouse ) Murrray has won 12 straights rubbers - 4 times he has won three rubbers in two days - that's very rare and not even Federer and Djkovic did that.
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He couldn't tie the laces of what Federer and Djkovic have achieved these 2 are great sportsmen.

No doubt Murray is the best british tennis player.
 
pokerjoke said:
He couldn't tie the laces of what Federer and Djkovic have achieved these 2 are great sportsmen.

No doubt Murray is the best british tennis player.
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No one says that Fed and Novak aren't great sportsmen
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Not sure how you see sport but I'm willing to see and recognise and congratulate great achievements

Murray is the best tennis player these shores has seen since the early 20th century - won the biggest comps there is both as a single and in a team - all he has left to do is win the French and Aus which is something not many Tennis players have done the career grand slam. So his achievements for me put him amongst the best sportsmen the shores has seen and possibly the best tennis player we have seen.

In the Davis Cup which has been won by the likes of Federer and Co in the 100 year illustrious history ( their reactions when they won suggest it's far from Mickey Mouse ) Murrray has won 12 straights rubbers - 4 times he has won three rubbers in two days - that's very rare and not even Federer and Djkovic did that.
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Murray says he will try and play next year if it fits his schedule, yes its really important.

As I said its Mickey mouse and if its not in some peoples eyes Murray should play in it for the rest of his career.
 
MegaSteve said:
Unless Eddie Izzard picks up a racket and becomes an overnight sensation...
I don't believe we'll see too many chaps, playing tennis, in a skirt at the Davis Cup...
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I guess there were some Brits who did it in trousers, however Andy Murray is not the only Brit to win Wimbledon and the Davis Cup in shorts .
His brother did it as well, just not the singles.
 
pokerjoke said:
Murray says he will try and play next year if it fits his schedule, yes its really important.

As I said its Mickey mouse and if its not in some peoples eyes Murray should play in it for the rest of his career.
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Players can't play in every event - they aren't super human and have to tailor their schedules - next year is also an Olympic year so that adds in more games, but that doesn't mean the Davis Cup is a "Mickey Mouse" comp far from it

Watch the reaction of Djokvic in 2010 when he first one it - that's not the reaction of one of the greatest tennis players ever winning a Mickey Mouse comp - that's someone realising that he helped his country win one of the oldest and most prestigious competitions in the sport.
 
pokerjoke said:
Me and you obviously see sport differently.

2 grand slams against 5 Olympic golds over a 20 year period.
Murray has lost miles more than he has won.

As for the Davis Cup its mickey mouse league
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In the grand scheme of things, I rate Murray's career achievements well above those of the Olympic champs mentioned for me. Nothing to take away from their achievements, but hanging around the pinnacle of a mainstream sport like tennis and winning the major titles he's won is a step above the likes of Hoy and co. in my opinion. Big fish in a vast pond versus a big fish in a comparatively small pond.
 
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