The custom fit dilemma

3565 said:
have you been customed fit?
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Yes, twice..

the first time at the Mizuno NFC at Clay's golf nr Wrexham.. Using the DNA set up.. I ended up with a set of JPX800 Pro irons with KBS Tour Stiff shafts.. Lovely clubs, but they just felt wrong from the day I got them. It almost felt like I had to slow down the swing to make decent contact..

The second time was with my Pro. I ended up with a set of Mizzy MP H5's (pattern forming here) with KBS C Taper regular shafts that gave the best results on the computer, but never transferred onto the course..

The best results I've has were with an Ebay bought set of Orka RS1/3 combo irons. Can't remember the shaft name, but they took me from 12 to 6. They cost £32 and I then sold them for £30. I'm not sure why I sold them really, but we all do stupid things sometimes..

My current irons are a set of TM RSI TP's that were an absolute bargain from a local golf pro shop.. Bought them on spec and they are absolute belters.. Strangely enough, they also have the KBS Tour Stiff shafts in them, but in all honesty, my swing has changed dramatically since I bought those first Mizuno Irons..

Like I said, I wouldn't tell anyone not to go for a CF, but I would advise them to go in with an open mind.
 
bluewolf said:
The best results I've has were with an Ebay bought set of Orka RS1/3 combo irons. Can't remember the shaft name, but they took me from 12 to 6. They cost £32 and I then sold them for £30. I'm not sure why I sold them really, but we all do stupid things sometimes.
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I remember those..........
 
Stuart_C said:
So you've had a CF session on a wonky swing and ordered the clubs?

Madness.
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If they dont work, ill just go the roulette and have me another set in a flash...


Isnt it better to get fit on your worst swing, my most regular one for that matter. Then at least your bad shots are covered, the good shots will look after themselves??
 
davemc1 said:
If they dont work, ill just go the roulette and have me another set in a flash...


Isnt it better to get fit on your worst swing, my most regular one for that matter. Then at least your bad shots are covered, the good shots will look after themselves??
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And all you'll hear every time you hit a stinker is the sound of those Srixons whispering "we'd have put the ball to 3ft Dave.. 3ft!!!" :D
 
3 feet? The srixon 7 wood got me to 8 inches, if they cant improve on that they have no right to speak up. An you may have got inside me but I still won the hole.


Best not to speak of the time you where inside me :o
 
davemc1 said:
3 feet? The srixon 7 wood got me to 8 inches, if they cant improve on that they have no right to speak up. An you may have got inside me but I still won the hole.


Best not to speak of the time you where inside me :o
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:D Still the greatest Par 3 I've ever played.. It's not often I stiff it to 2" and still lose the hole...
 
bluewolf said:
And all you'll hear every time you hit a stinker is the sound of those Srixons whispering "we'd have put the ball to 3ft Dave.. 3ft!!!" :D
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The Srixons are good but surely not that good with his wonky swing :D
 
bluewolf said:
Yes, twice..

the first time at the Mizuno NFC at Clay's golf nr Wrexham.. Using the DNA set up.. I ended up with a set of JPX800 Pro irons with KBS Tour Stiff shafts.. Lovely clubs, but they just felt wrong from the day I got them. It almost felt like I had to slow down the swing to make decent contact..

The second time was with my Pro. I ended up with a set of Mizzy MP H5's (pattern forming here) with KBS C Taper regular shafts that gave the best results on the computer, but never transferred onto the course..

The best results I've has were with an Ebay bought set of Orka RS1/3 combo irons. Can't remember the shaft name, but they took me from 12 to 6. They cost £32 and I then sold them for £30. I'm not sure why I sold them really, but we all do stupid things sometimes..

My current irons are a set of TM RSI TP's that were an absolute bargain from a local golf pro shop.. Bought them on spec and they are absolute belters.. Strangely enough, they also have the KBS Tour Stiff shafts in them, but in all honesty, my swing has changed dramatically since I bought those first Mizuno Irons..

Like I said, I wouldn't tell anyone not to go for a CF, but I would advise them to go in with an open mind.
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the trouble with the DNA system is that it's only giving the results of shafts that they stock and not the broad spectrum, but it does work tho. I got fitted for light weight shafts at a Mizuno fitting centre that stocked Nippon shafts which I wanted to test. Through the launch monitor data the Nippon 1150s were giving the best results, I got my club fitter to put these shafts with Snake Eyes blades and he Pured them, and are the best clubs I've had. When the DNA system came out some months later a local pro was intrigued in what I did, put me thru the DNA and it suggested I should be in lightweight and Nippon 950s along with KBS.
 
3565 said:
the trouble with the DNA system is that it's only giving the results of shafts that they stock and not the broad spectrum, but it does work tho. I got fitted for light weight shafts at a Mizuno fitting centre that stocked Nippon shafts which I wanted to test. Through the launch monitor data the Nippon 1150s were giving the best results, I got my club fitter to put these shafts with Snake Eyes blades and he Pured them, and are the best clubs I've had. When the DNA system came out some months later a local pro was intrigued in what I did, put me thru the DNA and it suggested I should be in lightweight and Nippon 950s along with KBS.
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To be honest mate, your experience is pretty much my thoughts.. If you have enough experience to know what you like, then you can sway the CF process towards what you like..

My worry is that we are teaching a bucket load of mid to high handicappers that the CF experience is just as important as the instruction.. It isn't.. Learn to play the game, learn how to "feel" the swing. Learn enough to know what is a good swing and what a bad one feels like.. then, and only then should you try to make the incremental gains that CF may provide..

If I'm completely honest, I reckon that I could take a broad selection of irons/shafts and shoot pretty much similar scores.. Not because my swing is good, but because it's currently bad (after almost 3 years of injury and work enforced lay off). Once I get back to where I was, I'll start to see the benefits of having irons that work for my swing.. But the reason I know they work is because I've tried so many. Not because a computer told me..
 
I had a good conversation at the range last night with one of the young lads from the golf club, plays off +2/3, Irish boys teams etc, but clever lad too, Astro physics at uni as a back up in case golf doesn't work.
Anyway, our chat was about the custom fit process involved at places now. AG and that type of place allow you the op to hit a few balls with a few diff clubs, shafts etc, other places allow you to pay for an hour on a scope or range or both, with a bucket of balls.
He was saying he went to custom fit guy in Waterford, 3 hours he spent with different heads, shaft combos, looking at high end forged clubs like muira, the guy took him through the who club range to find the right one, grip size is slightly thinner, clubs are an inch and a half shorter, he was getting cleaner strikes and better accuracy. What the man told him was that the metal used in standard clubs like ap2 is a cheaper lighter version than the pros, so the clubs need to be longer to compensate for the swing weights, I found this very interesting with all the rumours about the players using high end clubs that were badged with their respective sponsor.
It's a good money spinner for places to get folks in, tell them they have been fit for the ideal clubs, take the money and get the next one in, then if they don't work or stop working per say, we blame ourselves.
 
bluewolf said:
To be honest mate, your experience is pretty much my thoughts.. If you have enough experience to know what you like, then you can sway the CF process towards what you like..

My worry is that we are teaching a bucket load of mid to high handicappers that the CF experience is just as important as the instruction.. It isn't.. Learn to play the game, learn how to "feel" the swing. Learn enough to know what is a good swing and what a bad one feels like.. then, and only then should you try to make the incremental gains that CF may provide..

If I'm completely honest, I reckon that I could take a broad selection of irons/shafts and shoot pretty much similar scores.. Not because my swing is good, but because it's currently bad (after almost 3 years of injury and work enforced lay off). Once I get back to where I was, I'll start to see the benefits of having irons that work for my swing.. But the reason I know they work is because I've tried so many. Not because a computer told me..
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I certainly don't disagree with your view point about players to get the benefit must to some degree have some repetitive motion. Your ability will be able to sync into any iron/shaft combo up to a point. I was on a custom club building course in November and for a demonstration purpose they got me to try 4 6 irons, same head, that had different lies and shaft lengths all in regular flex, the first one I kept hitting on the heel of the club and was awful, the 2nd was better, the 3rd was not as good as the 2nd but the 4th I flushed and knew straight away. Don't ask what the specs were as I can't remember, so even tho I have a good swing it can show that a club not properly set up can harm you.

As for JT77, that the supposedly forged AP2's are not, from what I heard from a club builder of 30+ years, one of the worst made heads going, in his opinion. He said he wouldn't even try to bend them, as the company says you can bend upto 2*, as they were not a true forged iron were you can bend of up to and in some cases above 4* either way.
 
I never mentioned that the ap2 was or wasn't forged, I said the off shelf version is made with cheaper metal than what the pros use so they compensate with longer shafts!
I mentioned that he was looking at higher end forging so like muira, maybe you misread what I wrote ?
 
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Ethan said:
So you have a set with randomly chosen shaft weight and flex, lift, lie and length and grip size? Good for you. Because otherwise you would be a hypocrite.
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Nope, he has a set of pings which have more metal in them than at the battle of Jutland.

Only people under a 7 handicap should be custom fitted, the rest are just fooling themselves.:thup:
 
3565 said:
the trouble with the DNA system is that it's only giving the results of shafts that they stock and not the broad spectrum, but it does work tho. I got fitted for light weight shafts at a Mizuno fitting centre that stocked Nippon shafts which I wanted to test. Through the launch monitor data the Nippon 1150s were giving the best results, I got my club fitter to put these shafts with Snake Eyes blades and he Pured them, and are the best clubs I've had. When the DNA system came out some months later a local pro was intrigued in what I did, put me thru the DNA and it suggested I should be in lightweight and Nippon 950s along with KBS.
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The DNA system is not intended to say that whatever is your shaft, end of. It is meant to suggest 3 shafts to try in a suitable head in a fitting session, but the final verdict may be one of those or something else suggested by the fitter on seeing the actual performance. It does only cover the shafts in the Mizuno custom range because there is no point suggesting something they can't provide for testing.
 
JT77 said:
I never mentioned that the ap2 was or wasn't forged, I said the off shelf version is made with cheaper metal than what the pros use so they compensate with longer shafts!
I mentioned that he was looking at higher end forging so like muira, maybe you misread what I wrote ?
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No, I know you never said about it being a forging, but if memory serves me, it has forged stamped on the AP2's , but your right that some other metal content is in the club as well as some softer (forged) steel but you can't bend it more then 2* unlike proper forged clubs.
 
Ethan said:
The DNA system is not intended to say that whatever is your shaft, end of. It is meant to suggest 3 shafts to try in a suitable head in a fitting session, but the final verdict may be one of those or something else suggested by the fitter on seeing the actual performance. It does only cover the shafts in the Mizuno custom range because there is no point suggesting something they can't provide for testing.
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Yeah I know how it works as I alluded to at the end of my post about the option of the 950's and KBS, I can't remember what the 3rd recommended shaft was! But what I was trying to say that before the DNA came out, a qualified Mizuno fitter said that a lightweight shaft would suit me better, and then I tried the DNA months later and the 3 swings I did it registered that I should be lightweight, so confirming what the qualified fitter suggested. Just saying that the DNA is not a bad tool for those to find out the kind of shaft that may suit.
 
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