The Curious World of 36 Hole Comps and the CONGU Handicap

[HawkeyeMS]

So, the results are in from our 36 hole comp at the weekend and it turns out I came 3rd - whoopee for me :grinning smiley: but that's not the topic of my post.

Going into the comp I was off 10.4 so a playing handicap of 10 for the two rounds: no problem I hear you say. I shot 75-67 Nett over the 2 days so logically I had expected a 0.1 increase and a 0.6 cut. To go back to 9.9. However, here's the thing, the 0.1 increase on Saturday took my exact h'cap to 10.5 so a playing h'cap of 11 and that meant for h'cap purposes, my Nett 67 off 10 becomes a Nett 66 and new h'cap of 9.7 thanks to a 0.8 cut.

So here's strange point number 1. Despite not actually ever playing off of an 11 h'cap I got the benefit of being cut against it.

And even more perculiar, if I had shot 67-75 instead of 75-67, my new h'cap would be 9.9 and not 9.7, despite finishing with exactly the same total.

I know h'caps are calculated against single rounds and how this total is arrived at and don't get me wrong, I'm definately happy with the result, however it did get me wondering whether h'caps for 36 hole comps should be calculated against the playing h'cap for that comp as you could perceivable have 2 players entering the comp with the same h'cap, shooting the same combined score and ending up with different h'caps as a result.

Thoughts?

 

[Foxholer]

Rub of the Green!

Nice cut! Well done.

Now go and show Homer how to chip!

 

[pbrown7582]

It is a case of club conditions of comp or a HDID glitch as it's recommended that the whole comp is played off starting h/cap if 2 rounds are close together. In some instances this has resulted in a different h/cap being used on consecutive weekends but not in a midweek comp.

Congrats on the 3rd by the way.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

It is a case of club conditions of comp or a HDID glitch as it's recommended that the whole comp is played off starting h/cap if 2 rounds are close together. In some instances this has resulted in a different h/cap being used on consecutive weekends but not in a midweek comp.

Congrats on the 3rd by the way.

The hole comp was played off starting h'cap, but h'caps aren't calculated that way, which is my point, should they be?

 

[pbrown7582]

The hole comp was played off starting h'cap, but h'caps aren't calculated that way, which is my point, should they be?

Ah best get the lads reading books out and practice my reading!!

If its only h/cap calcs then I see no reason for the scores to be used and cut applied as they have done if you had scored the same scores but in a Saturday comp and midweek medal you would of still had the same cut.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Ah best get the lads reading books out and practice my reading!!

If its only h/cap calcs then I see no reason for the scores to be used and cut applied as they have done if you had scored the same scores but in a Saturday comp and midweek medal you would of still had the same cut.

So it makes sense to you that I have never played off 11 but get cut against it? Seems odd to me that if You play a comp off of 3/4 h'cap it can't be a qualifier yet I can play a medal off 10 and get cut against 11?

 

[pbrown7582]

Similar to scoring 85 a medal but with a 9 and score being rounded to 7 but for initial h/cap it would be rounded to 6 one of those quirks of the system?

 

[duncan mackie]

The hole comp was played off starting h'cap, but h'caps aren't calculated that way, which is my point, should they be?

you need to look at the reasons why when considering your question - basically it covers the situations where people are still out on the course playing round 1 when others have started round 2.

CSS cannot be calculated and applied before some people have set out on the second round.

As they said in Master and Commander - lesser of two weevils!

 

[HawkeyeMS]

you need to look at the reasons why when considering your question - basically it covers the situations where people are still out on the course playing round 1 when others have started round 2.

CSS cannot be calculated and applied before some people have set out on the second round.

As they said in Master and Commander - lesser of two weevils!

I'm not asking if they should be changed after round 1, I'm asking if it is right to play off of a h'cap for competition purposes and have that h'cap adjusted against a higher one?

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Well done for the 3rd place matey. Think how good it could have been if you had started well on Saturday and the first two holes yesterday. Good to see you back down close to single figurte again. You can right re-assume captaincy of the partnership. I was just keeping it warm. I'm off to find a short game this week and see what I can do going forward. To be honest I wouldn't get too hung up on how CONGU works and bask in the great 2nd round yesterday (well the last 16 holes) and enjoy the cut. Remember how frustrated you were thinking it was back to 11

 

[pbrown7582]

I'm not asking if they should be changed after round 1, I'm asking if it is right to play off of a h'cap for competition purposes and have that h'cap adjusted against a higher one?

The other way to look at it is that your handicap in the afternoon was 10.5 playing off 11 but as the comp rules are you play off same h/cap for whole comp so you play off 10, similar to the way you would if you played in a qualifier at an away course shot 2 over nett, so you don't think you get 0.1 back. Play the next day off 10 but then find that when CSS is calculated it drops and your not in buffer after all.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

The other way to look at it is that your handicap in the afternoon was 10.5 playing off 11 but as the comp rules are you play off same h/cap for whole comp so you play off 10, similar to the way you would if you played in a qualifier at an away course shot 2 over nett, so you don't think you get 0.1 back. Play the next day off 10 but then find that when CSS is calculated it drops and your not in buffer after all.

This isn't quite the same but I see your point and I have already considered this.I'm gonna assume that no-one else sees anything slightly odd in this calculation and bask in the glory of my cut.

 

[Region3]

Would have been even odderer if you'd gone 65-75.

You'd have been assessed for your second round off single figures without having played off it!

(I know you've been singles before, but just imagine if you hadn't. Would it have counted as reaching a sf hc?)

 

[HawkeyeMS]

Would have been even odderer if you'd gone 65-75.

You'd have been assessed for your second round off single figures without having played off it!

(I know you've been singles before, but just imagine if you hadn't. Would it have counted as reaching a sf hc?)

Indeed

 

[chrisd]

This isn't quite the same but I see your point and I have already considered this.I'm gonna assume that no-one else sees anything slightly odd in this calculation and bask in the glory of my cut.

No, what happened is spot on and you should enjoy the good play - well done!!

 

[jammydodger]

The first time I reached 3 h/c I felt a little cheated too. It was the club champs (off 4) and I had a nice first round to get a 'hoped for' cut to 3.4 and was over the moon as i'd been working hard on my h/c that year. However the 2nd round was that afternoon and I just missed buffer with 77 iirc , so the upshot was I was back at 3.5 after the 2 rounds without ever really playing off 3. I then gave the game up for a few years for various reasons and I always felt a little cheated about it tbh. Luckily I took the game up again and got down to 3 properly before jacking it in again.