The cost of religion?

Norrin Radd said:
the words money grabbing [children without married parents] come to mind.
the church as a whole has more money than it could ever spend ,they are just ripping people off ,much like any other business that relys in public donation.
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Maybe you didn't read the article where is said that many cathedrals are running about even with others at a deficit. It was only a couple years ago they had to spend £40mil on the catherdral plus the daily costs of over £20k a day

I'm guessing the generalisations you are posting are all fully backed up somewhere ?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Maybe you didn't read the article where is said that many cathedrals are running about even with others at a deficit. It was only a couple years ago they had to spend £40mil on the catherdral plus the daily costs of over £20k a day

I'm guessing the generalisations you are posting are all fully backed up somewhere ?
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Sorry Phil, it's Cof E and the C of E has assets worth 4 Billion

The Church of England's income is bigger than the turnover of McDonald's in Britain,

Its income was £1.41billion in 2013 – beating the £1.37billion McDonald's earned here, and three times larger than Starbucks' figures.

I have no issue with them looking after their money, but church's are not there to make money per say.
 
are you for real ?
the church own vast amounts of land and property that would easily cover any refurbishment needed on any church in the uk .
they just play on peoples generosity to cover the cost so they dont have to .like i said earlier money grabbers.and all at the publics expense .
 
pauldj42 said:
Sorry Phil, it's Cof E and the C of E has assets worth 4 Billion

The Church of England's income is bigger than the turnover of McDonald's in Britain,

Its income was £1.41billion in 2013 – beating the £1.37billion McDonald's earned here, and three times larger than Starbucks' figures.
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:thup::thup::thup:
 
It is important to understand how much it costs to maintain the fabric of a building such as St Paul's , yes it is expensive, but travel to any other major world heritage site and you will find similar fees.
Stonehenge costs £40 for a family ticket
Lincoln Cathedral and castle is £16 each
Eiffel Tower is 17 euros per adult

It's how it is
 
pauldj42 said:
Sorry Phil, it's Cof E and the C of E has assets worth 4 Billion

The Church of England's income is bigger than the turnover of McDonald's in Britain,

Its income was £1.41billion in 2013 – beating the £1.37billion McDonald's earned here, and three times larger than Starbucks' figures.

I have no issue with them looking after their money, but church's are not there to make money per say.
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The church also spend more than they make - the same Daily Mail article you got your figures from show that as well - there is no profit being.made - income is spent on keeping the church's going to give people somewhere for solace.
 
PhilTheFragger said:
It is important to understand how much it costs to maintain the fabric of a building such as St Paul's , yes it is expensive, but travel to any other major world heritage site and you will find similar fees.
Stonehenge costs £40 for a family ticket
Lincoln Cathedral and castle is £16 each
Eiffel Tower is 17 euros per adult

It's how it is
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If they charged say £7 per adult do you think that many more people would pay and they would also likely make more money in (I assume they have) the compulsory gift shop?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The church also spend more than they make - the same Daily Mail article you got your figures from show that as well - there is no profit being.made - income is spent on keeping the church's going to give people somewhere for solace.
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They are the main shareholder in The Metro Centre up here, cash some investments in,
 
Liverpoolphil said:
The church also spend more than they make - the same Daily Mail article you got your figures from show that as well - there is no profit being.made - income is spent on keeping the church's going to give people somewhere for solace.
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You are aware that the Church owns large tracts of land in many rural areas and cities.

Your hissing up hill with this one Phil.

If the Church rationalised their holdings in line with their current footfall they could spend billions and billions on worthy causes.

Charging to go into a place of worship is ---- must not post in religious threads!
 
Hobbit said:
You are aware that the Church owns large tracts of land in many rural areas and cities.

Your hissing up hill with this one Phil.

If the Church rationalised their holdings in line with their current footfall they could spend billions and billions on worthy causes.

Charging to go into a place of worship is ---- must not post in religious threads!
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Well said Brian.

As an agnostic I accept that paying an entrance fee is probably justified, but was just staggered at the amount in question.
 
chrisd said:
If they charged say £7 per adult do you think that many more people would pay and they would also likely make more money in (I assume they have) the compulsory gift shop?
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I don't know, sure some people will be put off paying that amount, but the fact that so many are willing to pay that much, means that they probably have it about right.

Those who decide these things will have looked at all sides.

These buildings are expected to stand on their own financially, if you are a tourist, visiting london, there are certain places you have to visit, same as Paris , New York etc
No difference
 
Aw I thought this was going to be a philosophical discussion about bigotry, sectarianism, hypocrisy and the root of all evil in the world.

Yeah, pricey though!
 
PhilTheFragger said:
I don't know, sure some people will be put off paying that amount, but the fact that so many are willing to pay that much, means that they probably have it about right.

Those who decide these things will have looked at all sides.

These buildings are expected to stand on their own financially, if you are a tourist, visiting london, there are certain places you have to visit, same as Paris , New York etc
No difference
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Two weeks ago we visited the Natural History Museum, today the Tate Modern, no entry charge for either, except a charge for the special exhibition that we went especially to see. They survive amazingly well but a church with billions in cash and assets charge 2 senior citizens £32.
 
And regarding the Sacre Coeur in Paris
Yes it's free to get in, but they charge for the dome and the crypt
Although it is only 8 euros per adult.
 
Hobbit said:
You are aware that the Church owns large tracts of land in many rural areas and cities.

Your hissing up hill with this one Phil.

If the Church rationalised their holdings in line with their current footfall they could spend billions and billions on worthy causes.

Charging to go into a place of worship is ---- must not post in religious threads!
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The people that are being charged are the ones that are seeing the building as a tourist attraction with many historic elements to it - the people going to use it as a church and a place of worship are entering for free.

Building or historic nature both religious and non religious charge entrance fees all over the world - not just to look for profit but to ensure the upkeep of said attraction.

Yes the church and indeed also the crown do have vast amounts of land that could be sold of for millions to have more and more houses or wind farms or solar panels built on instead of lovely animal dwelling green countryside.
 
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