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The Ashes

Batsman should walk.... Simple but it's great viewing when they don't.... Donald V Atherton... Now that was a contest

Sly did a comparison with the Windies keeper that was suspended and fined for claiming a catch... Ironic u can hit the cover over (he must have known) and nothing happen yet claim a catch and they come down on you like a ton of bricks....

Yes I always walked and as a coach taught that u had to walk as it is a gentleman's game


All those who say don't walk... Do u own up to penalties in golf?
 
Interesting that Bairstow walked when he got the thinest of edges. :mmm:

Not many in the last twenty odd years do/did though. Gilchrist, Amla, can't think of many more. I have no problem with waiting for the umpires decision, especially now there is a review system. Would Broad have walked if the Aussie's still had a review ? I think he would have. Not much sympathy with the Aussies though after they completely wasted one of their reviews.
 
richart said:
Interesting that Bairstow walked when he got the thinest of edges. :mmm:

Not many in the last twenty odd years do/did though. Gilchrist, Amla, can't think of many more. I have no problem with waiting for the umpires decision, especially now there is a review system. Would Broad have walked if the Aussie's still had a review ? I think he would have. Not much sympathy with the Aussies though after they completely wasted one of their reviews.
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The umpire gave Bairstow out.

With all of the technology available to umpires an international batsman will not walk. They will wait for the umpires decision and then refer.

Club cricket is different. Batsmen will walk and if they don't then get untold stick.

It's the way pro cricket has gone and with the introduction of all the technology I think it's right to stay until given out.

Would Clarke have walked?
 
Would be nice if players walked as the umpires have a tough job.

Surprised, as Aleem Dar is usually really good. I know the replay looks conclusive but would have liked to have seen a hot spot on it to see how big the edge was. I generally think the replays, hawkeye, hotspot and the review system show that the umpires are mostly right. I think they did some stats and their error rate is very low and I wouldn't say thay are less good than 20 or 30 years ago. I remember seeing shockers in those days too.

Don't think walking has been in fashion for more like 60 years never mind 20. Indeed I recall reading that W G Grace was one the worst for not walking. Apparently he told one bowler "they've come to see me bat, not you bowl".
 
The difference between Ramdin and Broad is the rules of the game. The rules dictate that claiming a catch when it is likely to be clear to you that you didn't take it clean is an infringment of the rules. There is nothing in the rules that says a batsman must walk if he knows he edged it, it's down to the umpire to decide. Walking is seen to be in the spirit of the game.

Contrasting this incident to the Bell 'run out' v India is the best comparison.

All these people criticising Broad should have a look back through Ashes history at the number of times Aussies haven't walked.
 
Tiger said:
The difference between Ramdin and Broad is the rules of the game. The rules dictate that claiming a catch when it is likely to be clear to you that you didn't take it clean is an infringment of the rules. There is nothing in the rules that says a batsman must walk if he knows he edged it, it's down to the umpire to decide. Walking is seen to be in the spirit of the game.
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Tiger sorry mate but wrong on a couple of counts

First they are the Laws of cricket not rules
There is no rule (or law) about claiming a catch that isnt
He was found guilty of "conduct that is contrary to the spirit of the game"
 
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Tiger said:
fair enough mate in which case you are right there is a grey area here...
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To be honest... Even though both are cheating in the cricket wworld many ppeople feelnot walking is acceptable but claiming a catch is so so very wrong... CCan't think of any other sport were u cam cheat and amongst a large majority it is acceptable....
 
My first instinct was that he should have walked. I still think that now. Bairstow was walking before the umpires call.

However, I'm not surprised that Broad didn't. The lad is a born competitor, sometimes he goes too far in his "competitiveness". It's probably a result of him getting his cricket education in Australia..;).. Watching Broad and Pattinson is going to be interesting. Pattinson looks to have exactly the same "commitment to winning" as Broad.....
 
AuburnWarrior said:
The umpire gave Bairstow out.
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He had already walked. He didn't ever look up at the umpire. Seen him walk before so he is one of the very few.

A batsmen is quite within his rights to wait for the umpires decision. A fielder that claims a catch when he knows it has hit the ground is cheating.
 
Scouser said:
Sorry mate no smile needed I meant

Don't walk people accept it

Claim a catch get a ban

Would other sport is one cheat accepted the other banned
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The difference is in the detail though mate. Claiming a catch is a deliberate attempt to deceive the Umpire. Broad didn't claim that he hadn't hit the ball, he just waited for the Umpire to make the call. It's a small difference and I agree that he should have walked, but the mistake was the Umpires, not Broads...

Richart put it better, and before me too...
 
bluewolf said:
The difference is in the detail though mate. Claiming a catch is a deliberate attempt to deceive the Umpire. Broad didn't claim that he hadn't hit the ball, he just waited for the Umpire to make the call. It's a small difference and I agree that he should have walked, but the mistake was the Umpires, not Broads...

Richart put it better, and before me too...
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Within his rights to cheat.... Take a look at broads face.... An attempt to deceive the umpire??
 
Scouser said:
Within his rights to cheat.... Take a look at broads face.... An attempt to deceive the umpire??
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Broads face never changed at all. He just stood there and waited. I was actually quite impressed at just how calm Broad appeared. It's obviously something he practises. As I said, he never once (as far as I saw) stated that he didn't hit the ball, he just didn't say that he had hit it.

Anyway, are you staying in watching it, or are you going to the course and get that dodgy H/C of yours down? Birchy's handicap is dropping like a stone while yours just stays static. If I didn't know better, I'd say that you were quite happy with the widening gap...
 
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