Supplementary card question...

Foxholer said:
Oops! Indeed, Stevek's one.

Same 'gang'? :rolleyes:



H'mm :whistle:
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What gang is this i was merely adding my points on the post that supplementary cards are wrong IMO ,you can choose whatever day you want and play. it could be flat calm and you a mate play what effect will that have on CSS if 2 play ?.

Then say the saturday its blowing a hoolie and a full field plays the conditions are totally different, if you base your handicap purely on Supps then its not a correct one and there for a vanity one
 
stevek1969 said:
What gang is this i was merely adding my points on the post that supplementary cards are wrong IMO ,you can choose whatever day you want and play. it could be flat calm and you a mate play what effect will that have on CSS if 2 play ?.

Then say the saturday its blowing a hoolie and a full field plays the conditions are totally different, if you base your handicap purely on Supps then its not a correct one and there for a vanity one
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The same situations arise with both quailifiers and Supplementaries. On a Friday, players look at the weekend weather forecast and decide not to bother if it's bad - or conversely decide to play if it's good. In your scenario, there is a strong likelihood that CSS will be 3 higher than the SSS for the Supplementary.
 
rosecott said:
The same situations arise with both quailifiers and Supplementaries. On a Friday, players look at the weekend weather forecast and decide not to bother if it's bad - or conversely decide to play if it's good. In your scenario, there is a strong likelihood that CSS will be 3 higher than the SSS for the Supplementary.
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Thats what i'm saying a few weeks back at mine the on saturday the CSS 73 sunday was 74 but friday it would have been 71 as it was flat calm what am i missing.
 
stevek1969 said:
But if shoot net 60 as an example and your mate also the CSS would lower? so why not the SSS. Am i missing something or just being stupid?
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Steve, the other persons card may not be a supplementary, it is as I'm aware possible for just the one persons card in a group to be counted as the others are just having a bounce game.
I don't think the others have to put in cards but may be wrong as I've never entered a supplementary before.
 
Toad said:
Steve, the other persons card may not be a supplementary, it is as I'm aware possible for just the one persons card in a group to be counted as the others are just having a bounce game.
I don't think the others have to put in cards but may be wrong as I've never entered a supplementary before.
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John to me its a load of nonsense to be honest and gives people a false reflection on there handicap and ability, maybe i'm just old school play from the whites in a full field thats what its about. Even tho i work all lot of weekends i still get 20-25 counting comps a year does for me , i could play them but it would be of the Yellows which is not how golf should be played and my club doesn't recognise them as much as i'm aware
 
stevek1969 said:
But if shoot net 60 as an example and your mate also the CSS would lower? so why not the SSS. Am i missing something or just being stupid?
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stevek1969 said:
...but our club don't regonise supplementary cards.
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Are they relevant to you?

Or are you mistaken.

And how much lower do you think the CSS would be? What do you think would happen if 1 shot net 60 and the other shot buffer? Check that link to the UHS Manual for the answers btw.

I agree, the day can be selected according to the weather, which is probably more of an issue for Scotland and links courses. That doesn't, however, mean that all Supps are suspect.

And is it Ego/Vanity/Desire on one side? Or Ego/Vanity/Snobbery on the other? Neither being particularly relevant/useful attitudes as far as Golf and scoring is concerned imo.
 
Foxholer said:
And the answer to your question is 'maybe, maybe not'. If an ESR is triggered (in England/Wales) it's not automatically applied - so it does indeed raise a question. It's then up to the Handicap Sec'y to assess. No change there, except for an automatic prompt.
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And here lies the problem as during the roadshow conducted around the counties in early 2012 the instruction from the EGU and the boys from CONGU was that ESR should be applied. The sooner the software takes away the option the better as it appears reading some of the responses on here, clubs are doing there own thing which could be giving the club and their players an unfair advantage in county comps.
 
Old Skier said:
And here lies the problem as during the roadshow conducted around the counties in early 2012 the instruction from the EGU and the boys from CONGU was that ESR should be applied. The sooner the software takes away the option the better as it appears reading some of the responses on here, clubs are doing there own thing which could be giving the club and their players an unfair advantage in county comps.
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The Software is only reflecting the Rules!

It's currently only 'being trialed', so an override seems reasonable. I'm not sure what the instruction is Ireland - it's a recommendation according to their manual - but, for some reason, I have the impression that it's always applied. I don't know of any ESRs that haven't been applied - and would challenge a H'cap Sec'y if it wasn't. Anybody?
 
Foxholer said:
The Software is only reflecting the Rules!

It's currently only 'being trialed', so an override seems reasonable. I'm not sure what the instruction is Ireland - it's a recommendation according to their manual - but, for some reason, I have the impression that it's always applied. I don't know of any ESRs that haven't been applied - and would challenge a H'cap Sec'y if it wasn't. Anybody?
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The override was questioned in the SW as giving an option will result in a scewed trial if some do and some don't. I was given the impression from several secretary's in the S & SE that they were also asked not to use the override.
 
Old Skier said:
The override was questioned in the SW as giving an option will result in a scewed trial if some do and some don't. I was given the impression from several secretary's in the S & SE that they were also asked not to use the override.
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Depends what the 'trial' is about.

I believe Congu wanted to ensure ESRs didn't cause problems, while still being keen that they ere pplied, so degree of flexibility as required. I'm sure they'll ask clubs if there was any consistent reason to reject the recommendation.
 
I've just spent the last 35 minutes reading this thread and WOW what a minefield. No wonder the term "bandit" can so easily be thrown about when it seems so (potentially) difficult to keep an accurate handicap.

I recently joined a new club and took across a handicap of 21 having played about 7/8 comps, playing approx. (at least within the buffer) to my handicap on each occasion. On the lead up to the change of clubs I put in half a dozen rounds (in friendly weekend games with my friends) playing to approx. 13-16 handicap and jokingly was being called a bandit in our group.

Since joining the new club I've been putting in supplementary cards (which having read this thread I now realise may not be valid for various reasons) in the hope that my handicap would be accurate ready to start playing the occasional competition as I don't want to be called a bandit if I have a good day.

Does anyone have an opinion on what I should be/should have been doing?

My aim is to play maybe 1 competition per month just for the experience and occasionally for the fun of it (I played a texas scramble for the first time last year).
 
If your holing everything and have stated that your putting in a supplementary card off allocated tees, and playing to the rules of golf then your fine.
The limitation is one a week and some are saying a max of ten. It does not matter how many medals you enter, despite comments on this thread. You are free to put them in.
 
adam6177 said:
I've just spent the last 35 minutes reading this thread and WOW what a minefield. No wonder the term "bandit" can so easily be thrown about when it seems so (potentially) difficult to keep an accurate handicap.

I recently joined a new club and took across a handicap of 21 having played about 7/8 comps, playing approx. (at least within the buffer) to my handicap on each occasion. On the lead up to the change of clubs I put in half a dozen rounds (in friendly weekend games with my friends) playing to approx. 13-16 handicap and jokingly was being called a bandit in our group.

Since joining the new club I've been putting in supplementary cards (which having read this thread I now realise may not be valid for various reasons) in the hope that my handicap would be accurate ready to start playing the occasional competition as I don't want to be called a bandit if I have a good day.

Does anyone have an opinion on what I should be/should have been doing?

My aim is to play maybe 1 competition per month just for the experience and occasionally for the fun of it (I played a texas scramble for the first time last year).
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I'd suggest you try to play more qualifying competitions than just the 1 Medal per month - otherwise it becomes too important to perform in that and, with so few played across the key summer period, your handicap could well not reflect your ability. Supplementaries - done the proper way - are the way to better show that.

No need to be ashamed of any 'bandit' banter as long as that is all it is. It's generally just an envious compliment!
 
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