richy
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A bit like coke then?
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A bit like coke then?
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I wouldnt know - never touched the stuff.
Fyldewhite
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Forget all the tangents re drinking etc. The bottom line is that smoking is very bad for you, it is likely to shorten your life, most people who smoke wish they didn't (if they are honest) and initiatives like plain packaging, banning advertising, smoking ban in pubs etc all contribute to a varying amount to people either giving up or not starting in the first place. All of the above is simple fact.........however you package it (forgive the pun).....on the whole these initiatives are a good thing and I for one support them. Yes I may get cancer tomorrow, or get hit by a bus or whatever but those arguments are just missing the point.
richy
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But you must know that you're supposed to get a kick from it and a nice feeling. Can you understand why people have it?
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Yes i can understand people getting addicted and using substances that give them a high.
DanFST
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It always makes me laugh how the anti-smoking brigade really do care so much about what us smokers do "smoking is silly, i don't get why people do it" . It's a lifestyle choice we have chosen, get over it.
RE: plain packaging. I think it's a bad thing, as others have said it would be a bad thing and increase fake cigarettes from eastern europe. Man they are nasty! Cigarettes are already hidden from view, why does the packaging need to be plain? incase someone see's in the brief 2 seconds I pull it out to get smoke? I'm going to have a fag in my mouth for the next 4 minutes, I think a kids gonna see that and be more intrigued!
RE: plain packaging. I think it's a bad thing, as others have said it would be a bad thing and increase fake cigarettes from eastern europe. Man they are nasty! Cigarettes are already hidden from view, why does the packaging need to be plain? incase someone see's in the brief 2 seconds I pull it out to get smoke? I'm going to have a fag in my mouth for the next 4 minutes, I think a kids gonna see that and be more intrigued!
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Its a lifestyle choice that possibly effects more than just the person making the choice
As ooposed to the non fakes ones which are like pretty flowers - all cigarettes are nasty - plain and simple.
Yes it is a lifestyle choice but people will always question why people would chose to do something that clearly effects their health is a very dangerous way.
Ethan
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Well, the best thing you can do for good health and longevity is to choose your parents carefully. Your colleague probably did have a better chance of a longer life, but nothing is guaranteed. I have been at 2 funerals of people in their 30s in the past few weeks too.
But sensible public health measures are not do-gooding. Everyone goes sometime, but it is nice to delay it a bit sometimes.
DanFST
Head Pro
All choices could possibly affect more than just the person making the choice. I won't smoke in my house as I have dogs, I won't smoke in my car in if theirs a kid in it. When smoking in public I've been pushed outside, how am I having a detrimental affect on someone's quality of life?
Did you forget your "IMO" at the end of that sentence? if not, you are wrong, you can have an opinion. But you can't pass it off as fact. A non smoker to pass their opinions on the subject off as gospel? That's new!
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Do you come into contact with people who dont smoke - people who smell and inhale the smell and second hand smoke stuck to you ? Do you have a wife or GF or you kiss etc who you pass on second hand smoke. Smoking has an effect on everyone
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Did you forget your "IMO" at the end of that sentence? if not, you are wrong, you can have an opinion. But you can't pass it off as fact. A non smoker to pass their opinions on the subject off as gospel? That's new!
I am an ex smoker who smoked for a great deal of time - so i can pass of my opinion on the taste of cigarettes as disgusting as a fact
DanFST
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I suggest you reread my post. I asked how I was having a detrimental affect on somones quality of life? And almost all choices affect everyone. Someone smelling me when I smell of smoke. Is not going to have a detrimental affect the quality of their life, it's much like some of the rubbish you post!
Sadly you can't, I know you occasionally post like you do! But it doesn't make it so.
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I gave you a number things that show how you smoking will have an effect on someones life - you just decided to ignore them
But as you say its your choice - you know the risks and still make the choice
Foxholer
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<logic mode>
No you can't - generally!
It might carry more weight, but it's still only your opinion (and that of many others btw) and doesn't mean it's a fact!
Had you stated 'I find the taste of cigarettes disgusting', there would have no question!
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Both parents were heavy smokers and looking back there was always a fug of smoke in the living room, long before anyone mentioned passive smoker. Never smoked in my life but its in the back of my mind whether all those years living in a house with such heavy smokers will have had a detrimental effect on my life.
Of course the answer is to stop the kids getting into smoking. However that's been said since I was in school way back when and clearly the message isn't hitting home as there always seems to be a next generation coming along in what seem to be large numbers still.
Of course the answer is to stop the kids getting into smoking. However that's been said since I was in school way back when and clearly the message isn't hitting home as there always seems to be a next generation coming along in what seem to be large numbers still.
USER1999
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I smoked for a while, I flipping loved it. I smoked a heck of a lot too. But I quit. If e cigs had existed, I'd have been all over them like a rash. They are brilliant. I know this, because I've had a go on them. Especially the posh ones that could pass for bongs. The only reason why I have not started using one is that I've invested heavily in not smoking, and I don't want to go down that road again. I hope the government leave them alone.
Hacker Khan
Yurt Dwelling, Yoghurt Knitter
Hey, give it a rest Ben Goldacre. Next you'll be telling us that mainstream media completely misrepresent and dangerously simplify medical research and studies in an attempt to either frighten or sensationalize the public in order to sell more papers. Doom monger.
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guest100718
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I was a big smoker for many years. I enjoyed it and still miss it sometimes but I am glad I quit and any thing that can help stop other starting can only be good.
Ethan
Money List Winner
Well, in this case, the original press release on the research was a bit misleading, so the media interpretation was reasonable even if wrong.
Unlike Ben Goldacre, though, I am not trying to sell any books.
palindromicbob
Tour Winner
What! Are you telling me the Daily Mail isn't an accurate evidence base for me to use for my job? Will need to find a new source if I'm to keep up my registration
Crazyface
Tour Winner
Sorry to go all "forum" on you, but do you have a link to the "Booze raises only £2 Billion.. Its a startling statistic if true
I'm doing my bit !!!!
