Stack and Tilt - Knock and Down?

S

Society_Fan

Head Pro
Joined
Jun 28, 2009
Messages
353
www.rigsgolf.co.uk
With Aaron Baddeley ditching Stack and Tilt and talking about having fun on the golf course again (suggesting that Stack and Tilt was not a lot of fun to play with) combined with winning the Northern Trust Open is it a downward trend for the stack and tilt method?
I hear that Tiger is not talking about doing stack and tilt, but amending his swing? so it is not a great advert!
 
Oh, a bitterly contested argument on its way!


Incomiiiiiiiiiing!

funny_05.jpg
 
The golf swing is evolving continually. Stack and tilt has appeared, but is an amalgam of what worked from previous generations. This will get absorbed into the mainstream over the next few years, until some new fad comes along. Already the convention is for much less weight transfer.

In the pro ranks, you are looking at guys who have the god given talent to hit a golf ball with almost any swing.

In the realm of the hacker, the average guy could benefit from a more consistent strike. This is where S&T could really help people, but most are too blind to see it.

I'm never going to hit the ball like Sergio, and with my back, Rory Macs swing is out too. Heck, even Tiger can't swing it like he used to, he's getting older. Equally I will never hit a tennis ball like Rafa, so learning his technique would also be a waste of time. S&T lets the average chopper hit it better.
 
The golf swing is evolving continually. Stack and tilt has appeared, but is an amalgam of what worked from previous generations. This will get absorbed into the mainstream over the next few years, until some new fad comes along. Already the convention is for much less weight transfer.

In the pro ranks, you are looking at guys who have the god given talent to hit a golf ball with almost any swing.

In the realm of the hacker, the average guy could benefit from a more consistent strike. This is where S&T could really help people, but most are too blind to see it.

I'm never going to hit the ball like Sergio, and with my back, Rory Macs swing is out too. Heck, even Tiger can't swing it like he used to, he's getting older. Equally I will never hit a tennis ball like Rafa, so learning his technique would also be a waste of time. S&T lets the average chopper hit it better.
Click to expand...


A very balanced post, hard to argue with, nice one.
 
The golf swing is evolving continually. Stack and tilt has appeared, but is an amalgam of what worked from previous generations. This will get absorbed into the mainstream over the next few years, until some new fad comes along. Already the convention is for much less weight transfer.

In the pro ranks, you are looking at guys who have the god given talent to hit a golf ball with almost any swing.

In the realm of the hacker, the average guy could benefit from a more consistent strike. This is where S&T could really help people, but most are too blind to see it.

I'm never going to hit the ball like Sergio, and with my back, Rory Macs swing is out too. Heck, even Tiger can't swing it like he used to, he's getting older. Equally I will never hit a tennis ball like Rafa, so learning his technique would also be a waste of time. S&T lets the average chopper hit it better.
Click to expand...


A very balanced post, hard to argue with, nice one.
Click to expand...


I agree. The pro game is at such a completely different level, just the fact that there are ANY that choose to use it is evidence enough that it has merit.

If you have the time and energy to stand on a practice ground all day then you can probably learn to hit the ball with your left knee behind your right ear at address, and your right hand in your pocket..... I don't have that time or indeed enthusiasm so I got a bit more stacked.... and learned how to hit a few proper shots.... well sometimes :(


I think that we may well be seeing the eventual end of the very 'high hands' two plane swing. Arms in line (or just above the shoulder plane) will be the 'norm' in my opinion, if it isn't already.
 
Stack and Tilt seems to be a young mans swing, Manassero uses it to great effect as does Charlie Wie.

The fact that experienced players such as Mike Weir and Bads have ditched it is neither here or there in my opinion. Certain swings work well for certain players and it todays pursuit of excellence then who's to say what's best????

I have used about 10-15 pro's for lessons over the years and ditched a couple after 1 half hour session because I couldn't relate to them so I guess its the same in the professional game. Look at Harrington, wins 3 majors then decides to try and improve a tried and proven, winning swing!
 
Stack and Tilt seems to be a young mans swing, Manassero uses it to great effect as does Charlie Wie.

The fact that experienced players such as Mike Weir and Bads have ditched it is neither here or there in my opinion. Certain swings work well for certain players and it todays pursuit of excellence then who's to say what's best????

I have used about 10-15 pro's for lessons over the years and ditched a couple after 1 half hour session because I couldn't relate to them so I guess its the same in the professional game. Look at Harrington, wins 3 majors then decides to try and improve a tried and proven, winning swing!
Click to expand...


I thought S&T was ment to be easier on the back?


On the Pro thing, I agree.
 
I thought S&T was ment to be easier on the back?
Click to expand...

It is.

S&T is a young mans thing because grumpy old men don't want to give up what they think they already know... youth tends to embrace change easier.... just look at iPhones... (pesky things!) :)

The swing itself would probably suit someone of 'more years' who isn't really looking to hit a 350yrd drive... rather hit the ball a resonable distance and keep it on the fairway.
 
If you have the time and energy to stand on a practice ground all day then you can probably learn to hit the ball with your left knee behind your right ear at address, and your right hand in your pocket..... I don't have that time or indeed enthusiasm so I got a bit more stacked.... and learned how to hit a few proper shots.... well sometimes :(
Click to expand...


I tried it mate but used to get this rather annoying 10 yard push!!



Chris
 
The swing itself would probably suit someone of 'more years' who isn't really looking to hit a 350yrd drive... rather hit the ball a resonable distance and keep it on the fairway.
Click to expand...

I don't mind dropping a bit of distance for more accuracy.
Where do I sign up?
 
I don't think S&T will go away anytime soon and there is too many good things gong on in that type of swing for it to be totally dismissed. As the swing evolves further more and more of the principles will drip into the mainstream from pro level down and once that happens there will be more pros teaching it to the amatuer hackers like me. However that isn't going to happen overnight and it could be 5-10 years before the weight transfer principles and the turn of the right hip become accepted.

Having tried it in patches (without the benefit of any tutorage) I have to say when it works it is wonderful. When it doesn't it is destructive but I guess the same applies to most swings anyway.

If you haven't tried it then seriously, have a go with it. For the amateur it does reduce the amount of moving parts. I'm torn between trying to look at it in far greater detail and risk killing off some of the season to get it working and trusting it or giving the season a go with what I have and then really setting off on the S&T road next winter
 
I've never really thought much about S&T but that's mainly because I'm fighting a tendency to tinker with my swing and I the less I have to think about the less likely I am to tinker.

I'm sure it has it's merits and I might even benefit from it but at least for this year I'm not gonna find out.

However, I don't think Pro's like Baddeley ditching it are a sign it's on the decline. Top Pro's ditch perfectly functional swings all the time. Tiger won the US Open by 15 shots with a swing he later changed because it couldn't take him to the next level. They have a burning desire to win and if someone can convince them a change will help, they'll change whether it be S&T or not.
 
I've never really thought much about S&T but that's mainly because I'm fighting a tendency to tinker with my swing and I the less I have to think about the less likely I am to tinker.
Click to expand...

I only have one real swing thought when I'm on the course... turn. Prior to that i had about 1,000 things that I was either think of or working on... and used to forget them literally day to day as new stuff kept popping into my head. Learn the pattern, stick to it, job done. What's the WORST that can happen?? seriously.
 
As most of you know, I had a 6 hour 'lesson' with James, a few weeks ago. Some might remember it better as me getting stuck in the car, but nevermind!

Anyway. I posted some video of my swing on here from a video lesson I had locally with a PGA Pro. I commented on what the Pro told me and got me doing to improve things. The Pro said I had a sound swing. James obviously took the video and analysed it on V1 or similar and basically said 'tosh'. My backside was moving in and out in a slow hump kinda way, consequently, my head bobed a bit, and because of all of this he was surprised that I even got the clubface anywhere near the ball! After a few pm's we agreed to meet, as long as I had an open mind. Obviously I kinda knew what I was letting myself in for! I had played with James at the Ascot meet last year.

Now, he'd obviously spent more time looking at my swing than any Pro had done previously, (I've had about 15 lessons over the last 3 years, with two different Pros).

So the scene was set. I warmed up, I don't know if it was nerves, but I couldn't hit a ball at all, which isn't the norm! We probably spent 2 hours doing some very exagerated moves to get the feeling of what he was trying to achieve. I went with it, as I am someone that can listen to what folks have to say without any pre-requisite or pre-judgement. Some of the worlds best coaches in ANY sport aren't always the best practioners of it, but that's another matter. But James enthusiasum and commitment to enable me to grasp it was tireless. Provided that he had a supply of coffee and smokes.

To cut this short(er), I've only had one game since the lesson, but it's looking promising already.

Okay, so it might not be for everyone, and I certainly wouldn't have tried it without someone to watch over me. But, I am convinced that a lot of weekend could benefit from trying it if they only tried it properly. But as I said, it's not for everyone.

I'm not dismissing traditional teaching techniques, or indeed PGA Pros, there are good ones out there. I just haven't found one that I 'click' with.
 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

Don Barzini
Atheism and Theism
8 9 10
Replies
187
Views
16K
SwingsitlikeHogan
SwingsitlikeHogan
Grant85
Outcome v Process and what practice you do?
2
Replies
29
Views
5K
HomerJSimpson
HomerJSimpson
Wolf
The 9 shots - Do you have them.
2
Replies
36
Views
3K
Deleted member 1147
D
Blackdog67
Stack and Tilt?
Replies
19
Views
6K
pendodave
P
D
Which golf swing is for me
Replies
9
Views
3K
the_coach
T
Top