SKY charging additional fees for Premier League

Blue in Munich said:
This Telegraph article says they were taking payments from fans, there are others saying the same thing;

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/footbal...d-supporters-trust-urges-club-suspend-season/

I think it might be nearer the mark to say they haven't put any new ones up for sale but they certainly appear to have taken renewal money.
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A lot of Clubs do this, I think its Burnley who had their fans renew in March, Everton also opened for this season’s Season Tickets in March and sold out by June.

I don’t agree with them earning all the interest on the money, but certainly with Everton and after talking to family members who renewed, they don’t see an issue as they believe they’ll either get the money back for missed games or use it against next season‘s Season Ticket.

Obviously those Clubs who hadn’t started the application process for this season are, imo, stuck between a rock and a hard place as it will either create a lot of work once it’s remedied or a better place as fans will be looking to fork out out less money.
 
Blue in Munich said:
As a match going fan, I don't have an issue with the £14.95 cost. Let's break it down; 15 quid for the game, a tenner for two 4 packs from the supermarket & 15 quid for a couple of kebabs or fish & chips, 40 quid for as close to the match day experience as I can get at the moment.

Match day live; 90 quid for the two season ticket seats, 30 quid for a couple of meals in the pub, 30 quid for a round, possibly another 30 quid if it's our week for a second round, a tenner on fares, plus match day programme & fanzine, just shy of 200 quid for the day.

As I said, I don't have an issue with 15 quid per game; it's not like it's compulsory and it provides me with some kind of weekend normality. If you don't want the service you don't have to pay for it, so quite why Sky & BT are getting pilloried for providing something over and above what they are contracted to defeats me.
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I suspect a lot of it is perception

People pay subscription for Sky and BT to watch the Prem games and then they see that there other games being televised and ask why it’s not part of their “£20” a month subscription especially when we all had so many games being broadcast last season

If someone takes a step back and does look at the raw figures then for someone who goes to the matches etc it’s cheap ( relative ) - as you say it’s a fraction of what someone pays to go to watch a match

If someone like myself who doesn’t go to the games looks at the cost needs to decide if the extra money per game is worth the money.
 
Also a match going fan but there was never a chance I was paying this. Plenty of ways to watch it and if not, the old radio will be getting a dusting off.
 
I have the full Sky package, and BT Sport, and I will pay £10 to watch Reading matches on iFollow, but I won't be paying £14.95 to watch any games on Box Office. The MOTD coverage is good enough to wait to see it later, unlike the QUEST EFL coverage which is often very short even for the team leading the Championship by 5 points!
 
Blue in Munich said:
As a match going fan, I don't have an issue with the £14.95 cost. Let's break it down; 15 quid for the game, a tenner for two 4 packs from the supermarket & 15 quid for a couple of kebabs or fish & chips, 40 quid for as close to the match day experience as I can get at the moment.

Match day live; 90 quid for the two season ticket seats, 30 quid for a couple of meals in the pub, 30 quid for a round, possibly another 30 quid if it's our week for a second round, a tenner on fares, plus match day programme & fanzine, just shy of 200 quid for the day.

As I said, I don't have an issue with 15 quid per game; it's not like it's compulsory and it provides me with some kind of weekend normality. If you don't want the service you don't have to pay for it, so quite why Sky & BT are getting pilloried for providing something over and above what they are contracted to defeats me.
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you wouldnt be saying that if youd paid 15 quid for the man u game lol

From my perspective my issue is more with my club (and other clubs) and their owners, albeit i think the broadcasters are partially complicit too. Its also about where its leading. Theres plenty of fans who cant afford it currently, yet the multi billionaire owners dont give 2 hoots about them as long as they add a few more zeros to their empires funds. Billionaire owners who are happy to make staff redundant, demand players take pay cuts, yet continue to charge the fans more and more whilst they continue to spend exorbitant amounts on agents fees tfrs and new players wages.

Longer term the big clubs are clearly trying to engineer a power shift that gives them even more of a monopoly through a larger share of the broadcasting rights etc. Personally cant think of anything worse for English football. If youre happy paying you keep on paying, me Ill give my £15 to charity each time Arsenal are on PPV rather than give it to those who dont need it even if ultimately its a futile protest
 
fundy said:
you wouldnt be saying that if youd paid 15 quid for the man u game lol
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I'm more annoyed about VAR and Harry "two falls, two submissions or a knockout" Maguire than the game itself. :mad:

fundy said:
From my perspective my issue is more with my club (and other clubs) and their owners, albeit i think the broadcasters are partially complicit too. Its also about where its leading. Theres plenty of fans who cant afford it currently, yet the multi billionaire owners dont give 2 hoots about them as long as they add a few more zeros to their empires funds. Billionaire owners who are happy to make staff redundant, demand players take pay cuts, yet continue to charge the fans more and more whilst they continue to spend exorbitant amounts on agents fees tfrs and new players wages.
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Maybe given my allegiance I'm not so concerned about this aspect; despite the various allegations thrown about our owner and his money, I don't believe Abramovich has furloughed anyone, made anyone redundant or forced players to take wage cuts. He has given free meals to NHS workers, made the onsite hotel available at no charge for those working long shifts who struggle to make it home and players have been encouraged to make their own charitable contributions; Antonio Rudiger has been providing free meals for German hospital staff. I'm aware that other clubs have furloughed staff & I wouldn't disagree with your point there.

fundy said:
Longer term the big clubs are clearly trying to engineer a power shift that gives them even more of a monopoly through a larger share of the broadcasting rights etc. Personally cant think of anything worse for English football. If youre happy paying you keep on paying, me Ill give my £15 to charity each time Arsenal are on PPV rather than give it to those who dont need it even if ultimately its a futile protest
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I wouldn't disagree with this point either, especially as I think they'd be shooting themselves in the foot. The fans' survey at my club came back with the Premier League being by far the most important competition, followed by the Champions League. Have I got any interest in a European Super League; none whatsoever, couldn't care less. So if that's the way they're going to go, they'll find me, and probably a few others, waving them goodbye. But at the end of the day, my season ticket money is a drop in the ocean, and there's currently a queue so they won't miss me if I go. I respect and admire your protest, but agree with you that it's futile.

My paying for the additional matches is me trying to keep touch with some kind of normality in the situation we currently find ourselves in; it's trying to keep my head a bit straight, something it hasn't been for some time since this started.

I understand and share your concerns about the way a few clubs seem to be trying to engineer the power grab, but ultimately I feel there's nothing we can do to change that, it will be what it will be.

My issue with some of the complaints on here was that Sky & BT were providing these games over & above the contract & getting slaughtered for it. There's no more obligation to buy it than there is to put a 12 year old malt on your weekly home shopping delivery; the supermarket are offering the service and you can buy it if you wish but there's no obligation. But I don't see the supermarkets taking flak because people can't afford it.
 
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Personally I pay Sky for PL football and that's it. I will not pay BT or any other provider, excepting BBC/ITV which I get courtesy of my TV licence. I'll not do pay per view for extra matches any more than I would do for boxing on Sky - I used to watch all of the boxing when it was free to air and now I dont even know hardly any of the boxers. I guess that's what the choice of how I spend my money works!

Let's hope that the golf providers dont decide that the premier golf tournaments become pay to view!
 
fundy said:
you wouldnt be saying that if youd paid 15 quid for the man u game lol

From my perspective my issue is more with my club (and other clubs) and their owners, albeit i think the broadcasters are partially complicit too. Its also about where its leading. Theres plenty of fans who cant afford it currently, yet the multi billionaire owners dont give 2 hoots about them as long as they add a few more zeros to their empires funds. Billionaire owners who are happy to make staff redundant, demand players take pay cuts, yet continue to charge the fans more and more whilst they continue to spend exorbitant amounts on agents fees tfrs and new players wages.

Longer term the big clubs are clearly trying to engineer a power shift that gives them even more of a monopoly through a larger share of the broadcasting rights etc. Personally cant think of anything worse for English football. If youre happy paying you keep on paying, me Ill give my £15 to charity each time Arsenal are on PPV rather than give it to those who dont need it even if ultimately its a futile protest
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Isn’t a lot of what you are talking about happening regardless of the current PPV games ? Especially in longer terms - clubs for years have been trying to get more power , more revenue- that stared with the Premier League and CL

The PPV games i guess are trying to replace the season tickets and match day tickets. If the fans couldn’t afford the PPV I guess they couldn’t afford the season ticket or a match day ticket right now ?

Clubs are losing a significant amount of money from matchday revenue but I agree if they are going to struggle then they shouldn’t be spending millions on players etc

Even at £15 the matchday money is going to drop for all clubs - but I believe the clubs looked at it as a way to get the fans who go to the games a way to still watch.

The application of it may not be great but can see the reasons why
 
chrisd said:
Personally I pay Sky for PL football and that's it. I will not pay BT or any other provider, excepting BBC/ITV which I get courtesy of my TV licence. I'll not do pay per view for extra matches any more than I would do for boxing on Sky - I used to watch all of the boxing when it was free to air and now I dont even know hardly any of the boxers. I guess that's what the choice of how I spend my money works!

Let's hope that the golf providers dont decide that the premier golf tournaments become pay to view!
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Has that not already happened with the BBC effectively not bidding for the Masters and The Open? Effectively you now have to have access to Sky which you didn't before, so you are already paying.
 
Blue in Munich said:
Has that not already happened with the BBC effectively not bidding for the Masters and The Open? Effectively you now have to have access to Sky which you didn't before, so you are already paying.
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That is correct Richard, what I meant more was that the hope that the franchise is not shared with, say, BT, Amazon etc so we have to either pay 2 or 3 providers rather than just the one for all the golf
 
Blue in Munich said:
Have we got any actual season ticket holders this season? I've not been asked for any renewal fees, and neither has the Gooner next door. I think the only Premier League club that demanded fans renew was Newcastle.
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I’ve had to pay £70 to Leicester upfront to retain my season ticket.
 
Blue in Munich said:
As a match going fan, I don't have an issue with the £14.95 cost. Let's break it down; 15 quid for the game, a tenner for two 4 packs from the supermarket & 15 quid for a couple of kebabs or fish & chips, 40 quid for as close to the match day experience as I can get at the moment.

Match day live; 90 quid for the two season ticket seats, 30 quid for a couple of meals in the pub, 30 quid for a round, possibly another 30 quid if it's our week for a second round, a tenner on fares, plus match day programme & fanzine, just shy of 200 quid for the day.

As I said, I don't have an issue with 15 quid per game; it's not like it's compulsory and it provides me with some kind of weekend normality. If you don't want the service you don't have to pay for it, so quite why Sky & BT are getting pilloried for providing something over and above what they are contracted to defeats me.
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Exactly this.

Me and my two boys are ST holders at Watford (20 quid seat retainer) and have full Sky. The cost around the match experience is chunky, and that’s NOT including some away games. The chance to pay ‘just’ £10 per game stream to watch us is something I am jumping at. If we were still in the Prem and it was on Sky BO, would I pay the 14.95? Hell yes.
 
Piece said:
Exactly this.

Me and my two boys are ST holders at Watford (20 quid seat retainer) and have full Sky. The cost around the match experience is chunky, and that’s NOT including some away games. The chance to pay ‘just’ £10 per game stream to watch us is something I am jumping at. If we were still in the Prem and it was on Sky BO, would I pay the 14.95? Hell yes.
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You get to see them destroy Wycombe for free tonight :)
 
IanM said:
I guess you have the choice... your team is on. It it worth the charge to watch. Up to you ....

However some folk are paying over £1000 a year already, how much more Do the swines want?
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Do you mean for regular subscription of which you are already getting what you pay for ? The PPV is extra games on top of that
 
West Ham V Fulham Nov 7 is PPV, I won’t bother paying on principal, I already gave West Ham £900 for my season ticket on the proviso that I could move seats this season, but come relocation time they didn’t have 3 in the areas I wanted, so I’m pretty pissed off with them....

Seems like the average of people paying PPV is 39000, with 3 matches less than 10000!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...ures-REVEALED-average-just-39-000-buyers.html
 
Out of interest, as I do not know, have the live matches on subscription already been announced or is there any suggestion that prime matches are being moved to pay per view?
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Do you mean for regular subscription of which you are already getting what you pay for ? The PPV is extra games on top of that
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Indeed, I know that. Sky have cameras at all games, so their additional costs are marginal. as I said, up to folk if they want it, but many looking at total expenditure and saying , no thanks.
 
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