ColchesterFC
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I think she has only became his ex after she sent the messages. Not 100% sure but I thought she'd put them on Twitter and at the time was still his girlfriend.
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I think she has only became his ex after she sent the messages. Not 100% sure but I thought she'd put them on Twitter and at the time was still his girlfriend.
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So he dumped her and is still liable for her comments? 
Maybe he should be a Labour MP. Court appearances don't get national coverage on the BBC... and as Hobbit pointed out, they have a slightly higher profile.
Maybe he should be a Labour MP. Court appearances don't get national coverage on the BBC... and as Hobbit pointed out, they have a slightly higher profile.
Hacker Khan
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I don't think it is the fact that he is 'responsible/liable' for what she tweets, more the questioning of his judgement. I suppose he could claim he did not know she is a racist and it is just the common mid life crisis relationship that blokes of that age can have when they dump their wives and run off with someone half their age, but all he is doing is making the party look even more silly than it already is. Well in the eyes of most people who are not trying to find excuses for his judgement and her behaviour by invoking the law of whataboutery. When the immigration spokesperson for UKIP resigns as they think the leaders girlfriend is too racist then it ought to ring a few alarm bells.
Plus it seems they may be back together soon anyway. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/pol...r-bolton-may-revive-his-romance-a3747221.html
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Because UKIP are utterly and completely responsible for driving Cameron's weakness and stupidity in caving it to demands for a referendum on the EU - and hence they are responsible for splitting the country down the middle in a way that is very seriously damaging to our society; creating an angry split that will take a long time to heal. And heal it cannot for as long as UKIP and their hard Brexit ilk continue to refuse to contemplate any form of compromise towards the views of the near 50% of the country who did not want to leave the EU. 16.1m people who might accept we are leaving the EU more easily were they to hear voices of compromise but who now hear loud and angry voices demanding a separation that could be very long lasting, damaging and difficult for our children, grandchildren and UK society as a whole.
And this did not need to be.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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As an ex-girlfriend she seems to be able to keep him on a hook such that he has said today that they may get back together. Well that's a good idea Henry. And when he said he had dumped her he was immediately spotted out with her. Not too convincing me old son - and he is old enough to be her father...and now he knows her to have racist tendencies...and will still go back to her...epic call.
Also if you listen to UKIP members and frontbenchers and members of their NEC you will hear them tell how little Bolton has actually done since his election as leader, never mind the damage this whole affair is having on UKIP and how it has turned UKIP into a laughing stock. And these are the words of UKIPers. he also claims to have spent £60,000 of his own money - Mick McGeogh last night was disparaging of that claim - having seen nothing spent other than expenses he'll get reimbursed for, and oh yes - Bolton said the only thing he was asked to answer for at the NEC meeting was on marney - McGeogh said that that was actually a lie - at least two other serious issues were put to Bolton - so McGeogh said.
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So what about Cameron's 'weakness' [and stupidity] that had him caving in to the SNP granting indyref....
I agree it's a bit of a novelty a PM granting the people their wishes...
In your opinion.
Do you honestly believe a large number of Tory voters would have gone over to UKIP? I guess you do. I don't because quite simply that would have seen the Tories in opposition.
You are part of the angry split. You are as divisive as the hard line Leavers. I've accepted what is happening, and I don't have the emotional rhetoric with Leavers that I do with you, a fellow Remainer.
The UK will, in all probability, be diminished by leaving the EU but it won't go from 100% to 00%. And in time the UK will find a way to recover, and it will probably rejoin the EU within a generation. And it may even be better for leaving, once the trading partnerships with the rest of the world and the EU are finalised.
Think about it; we lose 10%-15% of a trading ability with the EU but pick up 10%-15% with the rest of the world, and at far better prices.
In terms of European cohesion and movement, inc. trade and services, it is disappointing but even as we 'speak' the EU is firming up a free trade deal with Brazil.... and yet it wants to punish the UK.
Correct. They also remained a couple until pressure was brought to bear, meaning he was happy to be with her and her views until it became bad for the party. Doesn't feel like there is much genuine about the separation and I suspect that when the party ditch him they will be back together.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Whatabootery is generally tedious and in this case does not address the weakness of Cameron - besides it's a dodgy road to travel since whataboot Tory voters criticising out of hand May's grovelling to, and bribing of, the DUP for their support - remember this...
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...on-poster-ed-miliband-pocket-snp-alex-salmond
SwingsitlikeHogan
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Absolutely in my opinion - but I suspect that there is little debate on whether the split in the country is real of not; whether or not that split will be difficult to heal; whether or not there are likely to be short-medium term problems both social and economic following Brexit; and whether or not it will be our children who will have to live with it and deal with it. Well done us. Our children will love us.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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But B - where is your evidence for this? There is none. All there is is assertion, wishing and hoping.
And as I say - my concerns are more social than economic, when it transpires that the problems many poorer and more vulnerable in society suffer 'because' of the EU do not go away; when it transpires that the same issues remain when we are out of the EU. Who then to blame? Well it can't be new immigrants from the EU; clearly not enough will have left - so some need to go? and whataboot all these non-EU immigrants coming to the UK under the new trade deals struck by Liam Fox (where he and what he doing these days?)
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drdel
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While this thread is supposedly focussed on Farage you insist on making it another Brexit Art 50 rant - as happened to the 'PM' thread etc.!!
ColchesterFC
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Considering that two posts ago you said that whatabootery was generally tedious it's interesting that you'd use the phrase "whataboot" in this post. Is it only generally tedious when someone raises a point that is against what you believe but fine when you use it?
And why should there be more non EU migrants coming to the UK under new trade deals? The EU has trade deals with many non EU countries but free movement isn't included. Why do you think the UK will suddenly get more migrants because of a trade deal with Canada, India, Japan or anywhere else? Have you got inside information that we're going to allow free movement to every country that we do a trade deal with? Or are you, as you usually do, just trying to cause more of the division that you claim to want to heal?
Your answer will probably be because some countries have said that they want a relaxation of immigration controls for citizens of that country as part of a trade deal. That's fine and I want a new ferrari and Amber Heard, naked and greased up with baby oil, to be waiting in my bedroom tonight. Just because someone says they want something doesn't mean it's going to happen.
Hacker Khan
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Are you Jonathan Pie in disguise?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHebBuYmANc
P.S NSFW and heads up for anyone, he says much the same a Hobbit but swears a lot more, so don't click on the link if you will be offended.
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My assertion is based on tariffs the EU currently imposes in some areas. Those tariffs for products we currently buy from outside the EU could quite easily disappear post-leave. And with virtually no steel making in the Uk and the removal of the 300+% EU tariff on Chinese steel imagine the drop in raw material costs.
But if we’re going down the route of “prove it,†you prove the dire warnings. Don’t forget all those doom mongers that said the UK would fall into recession immediately after the Leave vote. The BoE has admitted they got it wrong, and the IMF have admitted they got it wrong.... do you know more than those experts?
What about your dire warnings for the NHS? Our local hospital in Spain is suffering exactly the same staffing shortages. It’s a global shortage...
Truth is we don’t know how this will really pan out yet.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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How about India as a starter for ten
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-deal-diplomat-warning-yk-sinha-a8073516.html
And on the wider subject of post-Brexit immigration from the commonwealth and the subcontinent - expectations were set - some potentially disgruntled Leave voters out there
https://www.ft.com/content/94adcefa-1dd5-11e6-a7bc-ee846770ec15
And on this - you mean like all the great trade deals we will be striking under WTO rules - and May's deep and special relationship trade with the EU
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SwingsitlikeHogan
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Whether I want to or not I cannot actually begin to consider acceptance of a compromise Brexit leave position when I don't have anything on the table that even vaguely addresses my concerns. All I want is something from the government that looks like moves towards taking into consideration Remain voters concerns expressed before the vote and the concerns that remain and that as time goes on become ever closer to becoming real.
But there is nothing. All I hear coming the anti-Brexit way are angry shouts telling me to 'get over it'; 'shut up'; traitor; you moaning whinging loser. Nice conciliatory language coming from the side who actually hold all the cards in the game and who need to hold out the olive branch.
May seems to have managed to find the olive branch in respect of the exit deal for EU27 nationals living in the UK and the potential role for the ECJ in immigration matters - and that is a start - but that is for exiting. I am hearing nothing on the terms of re-engagement - other than some say there should be no re-engagement. And for me that is not good enough.
ColchesterFC
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So an Indian diplomat says they think Britain should accept more immigrants from India if they want a free trade deal and you decide that means that we will have more non-EU immigrants when we leave the EU. We're back to the Ferrari, Amber Heard and the baby oil again. Just because that's what one diplomat wants doesn't mean that's what will happen.
SwingsitlikeHogan
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What a moan-a-thon Farage on LBC was last night. Leave voters really need to revise their accusation that it is those who voted Remain who are the moaners. Boy oh boy - we are but beginners compared with the moaning anger and fury coming from the mouths of some Leave voters. And does Nigel Farage encourage that in a big way - and so last night the target was the allegedly soft Brexiteer David Davis, did he get stick from Farage and his callers on his performance in the Commons select committee yesterday.
And did JR-M get painted as the saviour of Brexit receiving paudits for the way he attacked DD - and so JR-M becomes the only politician truly representing the views of the British People - choosing to ignore the fact that he doesn't - he represents a proportion (unknown) of 52% of the 72% who voted - but let's not go into that.
Great fun - but I am not laughing - this shambles is too serious for laughter
(and that's a worry not a moan)
And did JR-M get painted as the saviour of Brexit receiving paudits for the way he attacked DD - and so JR-M becomes the only politician truly representing the views of the British People - choosing to ignore the fact that he doesn't - he represents a proportion (unknown) of 52% of the 72% who voted - but let's not go into that.
Great fun - but I am not laughing - this shambles is too serious for laughter
(and that's a worry not a moan)
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