Sir Nigel Farage?

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pauldj42 said:
This thread was about him and a knighthood, I can't stand him, I think he is 2 faced, he's accussed Politicians of dishonesty and then done the same, because of my feelings/thoughts on him, you immediately paint me as a remainer and a Tory, wrong on both accounts.
Not everyone needs to be told who to vote for and why, you're happy to praise him and credit him for the Euro vote, but will not let him take any responsibility in the up turn in racism and hate crime since the vote, you can't have it both ways imo.
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To use a well known forumers debate tactic, where did I say you were a remainer or a Tory? Where did I say everyone needs to be told who to vote for and why? The vote was the vote. It was clearly needed. That much I am sure you will agree is beyond doubt. Whilst the vote was responsible for any up turn in racism and hate crime (and I am yet to be convinced of this) you can't blame Farage for everyone's bad deeds. He did not, in spite of rabid reporting to the contrary, encourage racism or hate crimes. He simply argued for a better system of immigration that didn't just mean accepting anyone from the EU regardless of numbers or background. It was and remains a barking system that serves neither those here now or those who want to live here well at all. It is just a very convenient vehicle for the remainers to brand Farage and all brexiteers as racist which is blatantly untrue.
If you can't stand him, fair enough. You take as you find. I can't say I particularly like him myself. But I do admire his resolve and determination and his willingness to stand up for what he believes in. He won all of us the opportunity for our voice to be heard. We should be glad of that no matter which way we voted, because democracy was served.
 
Just for the record, I have voted over the years in no certain order, Labour, liberals, lib dems and UKIP. Being a miner and having constantly battled the Tories and seen first hand what they have done to mining villages ( now called communities) From Kent up to Scotland inc Wales, With 250,000 jobs lost in that period. The Tories never got anywhere near my X/vote. Every four years I did put two fingers up to the Tories and in later years ( from Blairs later years) they all got two fingers. My deepest regret is that I only have small fingers though. I class myself as a floating voter, and when it comes to BS, Mr Farage is up there with Thatcher, Blair, Cameron, Osborne, Brown and the rest of the shambolic shower of kackylickypoopoo that claim to look after my best interests. From starting wars, to Sacking millions, to selling off national industries, selling off gold, selling off houses. They have all lied.
Mr Farage is no differant, but the differance is, he has said what millions of people can and do relate to every day. People from the village idiot to lying politicians and established businessmen. Yet he is loathed by as many millions from the village idiot to the lying politicians and established businessmen.
The later category for me are the very people who have not been affected by his comments re immigration, fat cat EU politicians etc. That I can understand, but those that have been affected by will forever be grateful for Farage standing up and saying what he has said.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
As leader of UKIP he had the chance to stand in EVERY UK bi-election for about 20 years but preferred to take a European Parliament salary.
A Parliament he rare attended or voted in as a SE England UKIP list representative.
The worst sort of carpetbagger IMO

At least Winston Churchill had the balls to stand and win a Scottish seat.[/QUOTE

You said he stood in no elections. You were corrected that he stood in 5. Now you say he should have stood in all of them. What about those that coincided? Should you only be knighted if you can be in two places at once?
As for his EU salary and duties in the EU Parliament, we already dealt with that 30 odd posts ago. And the worst kind of carpetbagger? I could remind you that the European Parliament was so badly attended they had to bring in an attendance bonus, claimable if the MEP actually turned up.
When you say "at least Winston Churchill" are you referring to SIR Winston Churchill, widely regarded as the greatest Briton of all time?
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Sweep said:
To use a well known forumers debate tactic, where did I say you were a remainer or a Tory? Where did I say everyone needs to be told who to vote for and why? The vote was the vote. It was clearly needed. That much I am sure you will agree is beyond doubt. Whilst the vote was responsible for any up turn in racism and hate crime (and I am yet to be convinced of this) you can't blame Farage for everyone's bad deeds. He did not, in spite of rabid reporting to the contrary, encourage racism or hate crimes. He simply argued for a better system of immigration that didn't just mean accepting anyone from the EU regardless of numbers or background. It was and remains a barking system that serves neither those here now or those who want to live here well at all. It is just a very convenient vehicle for the remainers to brand Farage and all brexiteers as racist which is blatantly untrue.
If you can't stand him, fair enough. You take as you find. I can't say I particularly like him myself. But I do admire his resolve and determination and his willingness to stand up for what he believes in. He won all of us the opportunity for our voice to be heard. We should be glad of that no matter which way we voted, because democracy was served.
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When you're making statements like "secretly you didn't want a vote" and "your precious Mr Cameron" is it really a big jump to think you're saying I was/am a remainer or a Tory.
The rest of your post then goes on to defend his policies and uses terms like brexiteers etc, I don't care I know the policies and what he's stated, repeating what I can and have read in the media will make no difference you posting it, do you believe everything every MEP says, of course not and that's the reason I don't bother with the Article 50 thread and there like, as soon as someone disagrees with someone else accusations start flying, if there is a link between the vote and the benefits then common sense says to me there must be a link towards the vote and the non-benefits.
Should Farage be knighted?
IMO, Absolutely not,
 
According to UKIP, UKIP MEP's receive the full same salary as every other MEP and DO NOT donate it to charity, £90,000 a year plus expenses.
Looks like another urban myth, please feel free to google his as I did.
 
As ineffective and lame as he was, Nick Clegg should be further up the list than Nige - at least Nicky-Boy was Deputy PM...
I think there would be uproar from Joe Public if Nige did get one...
 
Sweep said:
Doon frae Troon said:
As leader of UKIP he had the chance to stand in EVERY UK bi-election for about 20 years but preferred to take a European Parliament salary.
A Parliament he rare attended or voted in as a SE England UKIP list representative.
The worst sort of carpetbagger IMO

At least Winston Churchill had the balls to stand and win a Scottish seat.[/QUOTE

You said he stood in no elections. You were corrected that he stood in 5. Now you say he should have stood in all of them. What about those that coincided? Should you only be knighted if you can be in two places at once?
As for his EU salary and duties in the EU Parliament, we already dealt with that 30 odd posts ago. And the worst kind of carpetbagger? I could remind you that the European Parliament was so badly attended they had to bring in an attendance bonus, claimable if the MEP actually turned up.
When you say "at least Winston Churchill" are you referring to SIR Winston Churchill, widely regarded as the greatest Briton of all time?
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£90K a year for twenty years representing a party that wishes to leave the establishment he does not even attend.

Credit to the man for fooling so many UKIP voters for so long.
He must be laughing his socks off.

Oh and BTW ....in case you missed it.
Rather than stay and sort out the mucking fuddle he created .......he now wants to re-locate to the USA.
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pauldj42 said:
According to UKIP, UKIP MEP's receive the full same salary as every other MEP and DO NOT donate it to charity, £90,000 a year plus expenses.
Looks like another urban myth, please feel free to google his as I did.
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Urban myths start when people misread.
I didn't mention charity. Please feel free to check my post.
I know for a fact that when UKIP MEP's were first elected they had to agree to take a reduced salary from the party and donate their MEP salary to the party funds.

If there is nothing wrong with the other MEPs taking their salary what's wrong with UKIP MEPs taking theirs? Or is it just UKIP you have a problem with?
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Sweep said:
£90K a year for twenty years representing a party that wishes to leave the establishment he does not even attend.

Credit to the man for fooling so many UKIP voters for so long.
He must be laughing his socks off.

Oh and BTW ....in case you missed it.
Rather than stay and sort out the mucking fuddle he created .......he now wants to re-locate to the USA.
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Again, dealt with earlier.
As for relocating.... a bit like Cameron and your mate Spock.
Anyway, I thought you would be Farage's biggest fan now Nicola Kranky has agreed that soft Brexit will result in no second Scottish referendum. What you need is hard Brexit now so you can go for another vote and leave the UK - a bit like relocating actually.
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Imurg said:
As ineffective and lame as he was, Nick Clegg should be further up the list than Nige - at least Nicky-Boy was Deputy PM...
I think there would be uproar from Joe Public if Nige did get one...
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I read somewhere that based on the share of the vote UKIP should have a number of representatives in the House of Lords and the Lib Dems have far too many.
Cameron was the real PM as was Blair and Brown. None have been knighted.
 
Sweep said:
Urban myths start when people misread.
I didn't mention charity. Please feel free to check my post.
I know for a fact that when UKIP MEP's were first elected they had to agree to take a reduced salary from the party and donate their MEP salary to the party funds.

If there is nothing wrong with the other MEPs taking their salary what's wrong with UKIP MEPs taking theirs? Or is it just UKIP you have a problem with?
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Using your phrase, were did I say I had a problem with UKIP? or there was a problem with them taking the wage? Just posted a fact.
Your fact is not totally correct when UKIP were questioned about MEP's donating to UKIP, they answered, it was a cash donation and it was UP TO THE MEP's THEMSELVES how much they donate and it varies from each one, as some have private incomes it could be argued they used that money and not the salary to make a donation,
Google is your friend :thup:
 
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Sweep said:
Doon frae Troon said:
Again, dealt with earlier.
As for relocating.... a bit like Cameron and your mate Spock.
Anyway, I thought you would be Farage's biggest fan now Nicola Kranky has agreed that soft Brexit will result in no second Scottish referendum. What you need is hard Brexit now so you can go for another vote and leave the UK - a bit like relocating actually.
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ATM Nicola is trying to keep the UK united despite the best efforts of May and Farage to split it.
A month away from A50 and Scotland is the only country in the UK with an actual plan for Brexit. The other countries/political parties seem to have locked themselves in a cupboardd whilst whistling Rule Britania.
Remember in 2014 the Scots were told that the only way to ensure that they remained in Europe was by voting Naw.
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pauldj42 said:
When you're making statements like "secretly you didn't want a vote" and "your precious Mr Cameron" is it really a big jump to think you're saying I was/am a remainer or a Tory.
The rest of your post then goes on to defend his policies and uses terms like brexiteers etc, I don't care I know the policies and what he's stated, repeating what I can and have read in the media will make no difference you posting it, do you believe everything every MEP says, of course not and that's the reason I don't bother with the Article 50 thread and there like, as soon as someone disagrees with someone else accusations start flying, if there is a link between the vote and the benefits then common sense says to me there must be a link towards the vote and the non-benefits.
Should Farage be knighted?
IMO, Absolutely not,
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You are using the word "jump" so I guess it's you jumping to conclusions. I am not sure what objection you have to me using terms like brexiteers. It's a commonly used phrase.
I am sure you are well read on the issue and you are well aware that he did not invite racism or hate crime. I haven't accused you of anything. I well understand and have done from your first post on this that you don't want Farage to be knighted. As you may be aware, I do.
Though actually, as these days you can be knighted in your 20's for knocking s tennis ball around or looking good in a dress or telling a good joke maybe a knighthood isn't good enough for him.

So, you have to give out a knighthood and you have a choice between two as follows.
who do you choose?
Philip Green or Farage
Jimmy Saville or Farage
Mussolini or Farage
Fred Goodwin or Farage
Robert Mugabe or Farage
Anthony Blunt or Farage

who is the odd one out? They have all been knighted except Uncle Nige. Arise Sir Nigel methinks!
 
pauldj42 said:
Using your phrase, were did I say I had a problem with UKIP? or there was a problem with them taking the wage? Just posted a fact.
Your fact is not totally correct when UKIP were questioned about MEP's donating to UKIP, they answered, it was a cash donation and it was UP TO THE MEP's THEMSELVES how much they donate and it varies from each one, as some have private incomes it could be argued they used that money and not the salary to make a donation,
Google is your friend :thup:
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Again you must try harder and read what I post.
I didn't say you had a problem with UKIP. I asked you if you had a problem with UKIP.
Not to be pedantic, but a fact is not a fact if it's not totally correct.
My fact is totally correct when I said that when UKIP MEPs were first elected they were required to donate their MEP salaries back to the party. That is what I posted. I didn't say this was still the case as I don't know. I note you have shifted your position from them taking it all and not donating to charity. Google is only your friend if you bother to read what it says.
 
Sweep said:
You are using the word "jump" so I guess it's you jumping to conclusions. I am not sure what objection you have to me using terms like brexiteers. It's a commonly used phrase.
I am sure you are well read on the issue and you are well aware that he did not invite racism or hate crime. I haven't accused you of anything. I well understand and have done from your first post on this that you don't want Farage to be knighted. As you may be aware, I do.
Though actually, as these days you can be knighted in your 20's for knocking s tennis ball around or looking good in a dress or telling a good joke maybe a knighthood isn't good enough for him.

So, you have to give out a knighthood and you have a choice between two as follows.
who do you choose?
Philip Green or Farage
Jimmy Saville or Farage
Mussolini or Farage
Fred Goodwin or Farage
Robert Mugabe or Farage
Anthony Blunt or Farage

who is the odd one out? They have all been knighted except Uncle Nige. Arise Sir Nigel methinks!
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Hindsight is a wonderful thing, all those listed were felt worthy and admired by someone at the time of the award, we have to be careful what we wish for.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
Sweep said:
ATM Nicola is trying to keep the UK united despite the best efforts of May and Farage to split it.
A month away from A50 and Scotland is the only country in the UK with an actual plan for Brexit. The other countries/political parties seem to have locked themselves in a cupboardd whilst whistling Rule Britania.
Remember in 2014 the Scots were told that the only way to ensure that they remained in Europe was by voting Naw.
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8 days in and you win the most ridiculous post of the year! Well done!
Nicola is trying to keep the UK united! Seriously. Have you been at that Christmas whisky again?
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Sweep said:
Again you must try harder and read what I post.
I didn't say you had a problem with UKIP. I asked you if you had a problem with UKIP.
Not to be pedantic, but a fact is not a fact if it's not totally correct.
My fact is totally correct when I said that when UKIP MEPs were first elected they were required to donate their MEP salaries back to the party. That is what I posted. I didn't say this was still the case as I don't know. I note you have shifted your position from them taking it all and not donating to charity. Google is only your friend if you bother to read what it says.
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No proof on Google about your "fact" so I'll leave the proof to you, I view UKIP as nothing more than a protest vote and when we have left the EU I expect them to disband.
I haven't changed position at all, but read donate as giving it to charity not themselves, I really don't care what they do with it as I find all MEP's a waste of time.
 
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