Sir Nigel Farage?

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Farage is taking credit for many things he's not due credit for imo. Cameron gave us the referendum, not Farage. Farage is charismatic and ballsy and he's a great communicator but he's the only UKIP person who is, can barely name another UKIP rep even now after their success with the EU ref. He won them 0 MPs in 2010 and 1 MP in 2015 elections. Yes they had a good vote share in 2015 but its for nothing other than scaring Cameron to have the EU ref so those voters would come back to Tories, well that was the idea!
Success of the EU referendum was as much about Boris Johnson and a divided Tory party with some Tory big guns backing Brexit as it was Farage, Cameron failed to unify his party and several saw the opportunity for a coup and took it.
He's now floating about trying to get some kind of UK/US liaison role...unsuccessfully.
I don't think he's worthy of a knighthood, too divisive a figure and what's he really done? However the same could be said of hundreds of other recipients.....imo.
 
pauldj42 said:
he's created more division than any other politican in history, his postrrs are lies, he has appealed to the lowest basic instincts in people. IN MY OPINION anyone admiring Farage as a person needs to take a long hard look at themselves, he's an embarrassment.
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Have you stopped to think that the division may have been there regardless of Farage? Do you think Farage managed to personally convince 17m people to change their mind on our membership of the EU and vote to leave? If so, that makes him one heck of a politician.
Do you really believe he has created more division than any other politician in history? More than Moseley? Enoch Powell? Oliver Cromwell? I think I recall Cromwell created a civil war. Do you still stick by that statement?

Question: Do you think the British people should have been allowed a vote on our membership of the EU?
 
maxfli65 said:
Farage is taking credit for many things he's not due credit for imo. Cameron gave us the referendum, not Farage.
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Do you really believe Cameron would have given us a referendum if it wasn't for the rise of UKIP? As you say, that rise was largely due to Farage. Therefore without Farage there would have been no referendum.
 
Sweep said:
Have you stopped to think that the division may have been there regardless of Farage? Do you think Farage managed to personally convince 17m people to change their mind on our membership of the EU and vote to leave? If so, that makes him one heck of a politician.
Do you really believe he has created more division than any other politician in history? More than Moseley? Enoch Powell? Oliver Cromwell? I think I recall Cromwell created a civil war. Do you still stick by that statement?

Question: Do you think the British people should have been allowed a vote on our membership of the EU?
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Yes, I absolutely stick by statement that he has created more division than any other politician, UKIP is a protest vote, have you or Tashy never voted until UKIP came along as there was no one representing you?

Once we have exited Europe and UKIP fold or fade away as their reason to exist has gone, will you be abstaining from voting?

What has my opinion on Farage got to to do with whether we should've been allowed a vote on EU membership?

I thought this was about him and a knighthood.
 
Sweep said:
Do you really believe Cameron would have given us a referendum if it wasn't for the rise of UKIP? As you say, that rise was largely due to Farage. Therefore without Farage there would have been no referendum.
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Which contradicts your point about Farage not creating division.
 
pauldj42 said:
Sorry Tash, this is rubbish, you get a chance to put 2 fingers up at every local and general election, Farage is a waste of space drunk, never held political office in this Country, went for the EU on the back of scaremongering gets paid a fortune for not turning up and doesn't work for it, increase in racism, hate crimes and a campaign built on lies, Hitler was successful in the 30's for the Germans using the same tactics when he gave them a voice.
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Thing is paul I have had a look through my post again and stand by everything I have said inc the pope trumping. Not gonna argue about holding a political office or not. All that is not of interest to me. My point is that he said on a platform that over 50% of Brexiters were unable to say, exactly what we thought of the EU and the establishment. Re him being like Hitler, personally the Tash thinks he is More like Arthur Scargill in the way he can " appeal" to a crowd through lies. Incidentaly Tashyboy thinks Scargill is Rammel. Hope the last couple of sentences show the Tash is not losing it and is more focused on looking after both grandkids, one of which has proper diahorrea.
 
Sweep said:
Wrong. Yet again.
He did stand as an MP. Thanet South. You are right though, he didn't gain sufficient support, though the result had been called into question.
I think that puts to bed your chicken accusation.
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I was meaning he was to chicken to stand again when he realised how little support he could gather.
Every chance he had he chickened out.
 
Tashyboy said:
Thing is paul I have had a look through my post again and stand by everything I have said inc the pope trumping. Not gonna argue about holding a political office or not. All that is not of interest to me. My point is that he said on a platform that over 50% of Brexiters were unable to say, exactly what we thought of the EU and the establishment. Re him being like Hitler, personally the Tash thinks he is More like Arthur Scargill in the way he can " appeal" to a crowd through lies. Incidentaly Tashyboy thinks Scargill is Rammel. Hope the last couple of sentences show the Tash is not losing it and is more focused on looking after both grandkids, one of which has proper diahorrea.
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No worries mate, but he didn't give you the vote, the Conservative party did.
 
I'm not sure Farage created the division. I'm fairly sure that there weren't 35 million people all blissfully happy with the EU and then once the referendum was announced Farage convinced 17 million of them to vote Leave. He might have given those people the chance to give their opinion but he didn't create the division.

And why is it Leave winning the vote that has created divisions? If there had been a narrow Remain vote would people have said that Remain had created division?
 
Sweep said:
Do you really believe Cameron would have given us a referendum if it wasn't for the rise of UKIP? As you say, that rise was largely due to Farage. Therefore without Farage there would have been no referendum.
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Cameron was weak, every Tory leader since Major has had the Eurosceptics issue but stood firm, he was the one who gambled to try and strengthen his own and his party's position primarily, not to benefit the UK public in any way. This from a man who declared he was leaving the job before 2020 anyway. Spineless man who's dropped the country in it then disappeared with his millions to some country pile and after dinner speeches circuit.
 
pauldj42 said:
No worries mate, but he didn't give you the vote, the Conservative party did.
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But the vote was given to stem the march of UKIP and to appease his eurosceptic back benchers and his ploy spectacularly failed. Farage was clearly the driving force that pushed him into offering the vote
 
ColchesterFC said:
I'm not sure Farage created the division. I'm fairly sure that there weren't 35 million people all blissfully happy with the EU and then once the referendum was announced Farage convinced 17 million of them to vote Leave. He might have given those people the chance to give their opinion but he didn't create the division.

And why is it Leave winning the vote that has created divisions? If there had been a narrow Remain vote would people have said that Remain had created division?
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Now for me, this is exactly my issue with Farage, (For Sweep) absolutely 100% correct that we had a vote on Europe, Farage was front and centre before, during and after the vote, but he's accountable to no one, if it's the success we hope, he's the hero, if it's a failure, Theresa May and other politicians will take the fall, he'll stand on the sidelines, grinning like an idiot, saying I told you so.
Your last question, to answer it, do you think Farage would've accepted it and resigned?
He has no accountability or responsibility to us as a nation and for someone with so much to say, imo, it's just wrong.
 
chrisd said:
But the vote was given to stem the march of UKIP and to appease his eurosceptic back benchers and his ploy spectacularly failed. Farage was clearly the driving force that pushed him into offering the vote
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This creating the division! In effect he forced our elected PM to resign, who we, the people, elected.
 
pauldj42 said:
Yes, I absolutely stick by statement that he has created more division than any other politician, UKIP is a protest vote, have you or Tashy never voted until UKIP came along as there was no one representing you?

Once we have exited Europe and UKIP fold or fade away as their reason to exist has gone, will you be abstaining from voting?

What has my opinion on Farage got to to do with whether we should've been allowed a vote on EU membership?

I thought this was about him and a knighthood.
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More devisive than Cromwell??? Really? Has Farage created a war? Sorry but that is laughable.
Of course I voted before UKIP came along and I will do so again after we have exited the EU. What Tashyboy was saying is that before UKIP no-one represented his views or indeed cared about him. It is not for you to say he is wrong unless you walk a mile in his shoes. But given the choice between bad and worse you choose bad until good comes along. Is that hard to understand or are you just blind to others opinions?
You know very well what your opinion on the allowance of the referendum has to do with your opinion on Farage. He was central to the British people being granted a referendum. I suspect the truth is you secretly don't think we should have been allowed our say, because the vote went the wrong way in your opinion. Farage was instrumental in us being granted referendum. He should be honoured for that no matter which way you voted. He won your chance for you to have your say.
 
Doon frae Troon said:
I was meaning he was to chicken to stand again when he realised how little support he could gather.
Every chance he had he chickened out.
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What? Thanet was in 2015.
For all the reasons not to honour Farage, being a chicken is the most ridiculous. He fought practically singlehandedly for years, often on national tv. He was and still is ridiculed and his demands for a referendum were written off as delusional.
Would you do that or are you chicken?
 
Sweep said:
More devisive than Cromwell??? Really? Has Farage created a war? Sorry but that is laughable.
Of course I voted before UKIP came along and I will do so again after we have exited the EU. What Tashyboy was saying is that before UKIP no-one represented his views or indeed cared about him. It is not for you to say he is wrong unless you walk a mile in his shoes. But given the choice between bad and worse you choose bad until good comes along. Is that hard to understand or are you just blind to others opinions?
You know very well what your opinion on the allowance of the referendum has to do with your opinion on Farage. He was central to the British people being granted a referendum. I suspect the truth is you secretly don't think we should have been allowed our say, because the vote went the wrong way in your opinion. Farage was instrumental in us being granted referendum. He should be honoured for that no matter which way you voted. He won your chance for you to have your say.
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Are you for real?
Few facts, Tashy admitted he voted and it was years later he realised none of them care, (apart from Uncle Nigel of course)

Cromwell wasn't an elected Politician, please feel free to include Hannibal and Caligula to back up your point.

If you admit Farage is so central to current issues then he is shoukd be responsible, he has none.

Now to break one of my own rules.

Yes I voted to leave the EU, I did that based on facts and not on personality as if I had, I would've abstained, some of us are able to make decisions without being carried away by lies.

I'll ask again, Who is Farage acountable to?
 
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