Sir Nigel Farage?

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Sweep said:
What? Thanet was in 2015.
For all the reasons not to honour Farage, being a chicken is the most ridiculous. He fought practically singlehandedly for years, often on national tv. He was and still is ridiculed and his demands for a referendum were written off as delusional.
Would you do that or are you chicken?
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Have you got posters of him on your bedroom wall?
 
maxfli65 said:
Cameron was weak, every Tory leader since Major has had the Eurosceptics issue but stood firm, he was the one who gambled to try and strengthen his own and his party's position primarily, not to benefit the UK public in any way. This from a man who declared he was leaving the job before 2020 anyway. Spineless man who's dropped the country in it then disappeared with his millions to some country pile and after dinner speeches circuit.
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You mean Cameron was weak in the face of Farage.
He had been Tory leader for 11 years and PM for 6. He had managed the Tory eurosceptics well enough. When there was a real danger that the prospect of a Tory government was under threat from UKIP splitting their vote he had to offer a referendum. Farage and UKIP forced his hand.
 
pauldj42 said:
Have you got posters of him on your bedroom wall?
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No.
I am just grateful that someone got me a chance to vote on this issue, a cornerstone of British politics. Is that so bad?
I take it from this pathetic response you accept you have lost the argument.
 
pauldj42 said:
This creating the division! In effect he forced our elected PM to resign, who we, the people, elected.
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No true really, the PM resigned simply because his negotiations for a better deal were abysmal and his promise for a referendum proved to be his downfall. Farage, or anyone else, are entitled to disagree with the establishment and he was the elected leader of a legitimate political party
 
Sweep said:
No.
I am just grateful that someone got me a chance to vote on this issue, a cornerstone of British politics. Is that so bad?
I take it from this pathetic response you accept you have lost the argument.
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Ha Ha, lovely dodge and weave, I take it this and not my previous post was easy for you to answer as everything you secretly guessed turned out to be incorrect.
 
pauldj42 said:
This creating the division! In effect he forced our elected PM to resign, who we, the people, elected.
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If the people expressing their will is causing division, then yes he created division. But if you are going to put the PM keeping his job over the will of the people then you are on very dangerous ground. Oh, and we don't elect PMs in this country. We elect parties. The Tories won and are still in government.
 
chrisd said:
No true really, the PM resigned simply because his negotiations for a better deal were abysmal and his promise for a referendum proved to be his downfall. Farage, or anyone else, are entitled to disagree with the establishment and he was the elected leader of a legitimate political party
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No he wasn't, he'd resigned at that point, or back in charge, or resigned again or or or
 
Sweep said:
If the people expressing their will is causing division, then yes he created division. But if you are going to put the PM keeping his job over the will of the people then you are on very dangerous ground. Oh, and we don't elect PMs in this country. We elect parties. The Tories won and are still in government.
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While the party with no mandate take credit!
 
pauldj42 said:
Are you for real?
Few facts, Tashy admitted he voted and it was years later he realised none of them care, (apart from Uncle Nigel of course)

Cromwell wasn't an elected Politician, please feel free to include Hannibal and Caligula to back up your point.

If you admit Farage is so central to current issues then he is shoukd be responsible, he has none.

Now to break one of my own rules.

Yes I voted to leave the EU, I did that based on facts and not on personality as if I had, I would've abstained, some of us are able to make decisions without being carried away by lies.

I'll ask again, Who is Farage acountable to?
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Still waiting for answer to this?
 
pauldj42 said:
Now for me, this is exactly my issue with Farage, (For Sweep) absolutely 100% correct that we had a vote on Europe, Farage was front and centre before, during and after the vote, but he's accountable to no one, if it's the success we hope, he's the hero, if it's a failure, Theresa May and other politicians will take the fall, he'll stand on the sidelines, grinning like an idiot, saying I told you so.
Your last question, to answer it, do you think Farage would've accepted it and resigned?
He has no accountability or responsibility to us as a nation and for someone with so much to say, imo, it's just wrong.
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Again, there is no requirement to be a career politician to bring about change or indeed just win the right of people to have their say. Politicians put themselves in the firing line as did Farage. If he had lost he may have disappeared, but I suspect he would have kept on fighting. Unlike your precious Mr Cameron.
As pointed out in earlier posts, he keeps standing for election. Why not vote for him and make him accountable? He clearly wants to be.
 
Sweep said:
Again, there is no requirement to be a career politician to bring about change or indeed just win the right of people to have their say. Politicians put themselves in the firing line as did Farage. If he had lost he may have disappeared, but I suspect he would have kept on fighting. Unlike your precious Mr Cameron.
As pointed out in earlier posts, he keeps standing for election. Why not vote for him and make him accountable? He clearly wants to be.
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I'll wait for you to answer the other one first ;)
 
Despite wanting out big time... I failed to register a vote largely because I couldn't relate to Nigel's [and cohorts] campaign for exit...

However, more than pleased that the political classes, who find it acceptable to criticise British workers, [to support their views on remaining] well and truly got their comeuppance...
 
pauldj42 said:
Are you for real?
Few facts, Tashy admitted he voted and it was years later he realised none of them care, (apart from Uncle Nigel of course)

Cromwell wasn't an elected Politician, please feel free to include Hannibal and Caligula to back up your point.

If you admit Farage is so central to current issues then he is shoukd be responsible, he has none.

Now to break one of my own rules.

Yes I voted to leave the EU, I did that based on facts and not on personality as if I had, I would've abstained, some of us are able to make decisions without being carried away by lies.

I'll ask again, Who is Farage acountable to?
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Here you go. Patience is a virtue.
You asked if Tashy and me had never voted before UKIP. We both had. What's your point? Did you walk before you got a driving licence?
Cromwell was more devisive. You seem to have an issue with only career politicians being able to have a say or any effect. Caligula was Roman. What is it with Romans that fascinates you remainers? Not sure about Hannibal. But he had elephants so I doubt he was British.
Let's bring this up to date. Is Farage more devisive than Sturgeon?
As previously posted, vote for him or your local UKIP candidate. Make them accountable. Or not. Its your choice. But you can't say they don't want to be accountable.
Happy now?
 
Sweep said:
Here you go. Patience is a virtue.
You asked if Tashy and me had never voted before UKIP. We both had. What's your point? Did you walk before you got a driving licence?
Cromwell was more devisive. You seem to have an issue with only career politicians being able to have a say or any effect. Caligula was Roman. What is it with Romans that fascinates you remainers? Not sure about Hannibal. But he had elephants so I doubt he was British.
Let's bring this up to date. Is Farage more devisive than Sturgeon?
As previously posted, vote for him or your local UKIP candidate. Make them accountable. Or not. Its your choice. But you can't say they don't want to be accountable.
Happy now?
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This thread was about him and a knighthood, I can't stand him, I think he is 2 faced, he's accussed Politicians of dishonesty and then done the same, because of my feelings/thoughts on him, you immediately paint me as a remainer and a Tory, wrong on both accounts.
Not everyone needs to be told who to vote for and why, you're happy to praise him and credit him for the Euro vote, but will not let him take any responsibility in the up turn in racism and hate crime since the vote, you can't have it both ways imo.
 
As leader of UKIP he had the chance to stand in EVERY UK bi-election for about 20 years but preferred to take a European Parliament salary.
A Parliament he rare attended or voted in as a SE England UKIP list representative.
The worst sort of carpetbagger IMO

At least Winston Churchill had the balls to stand and win a Scottish seat.
 
But Farage stood for election, stated his manifesto and got elected and is only responsible to his party and electorate.
 
Sweep said:
You mean Cameron was weak in the face of Farage.
He had been Tory leader for 11 years and PM for 6. He had managed the Tory eurosceptics well enough. When there was a real danger that the prospect of a Tory government was under threat from UKIP splitting their vote he had to offer a referendum. Farage and UKIP forced his hand.
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Hmm not sure, UKIP got 1 MP in 2015 and their 12 or 13% vote share appears to have taken more votes from Labour than Tories, don't see how that is considered a Farage/UKIP threat to Tories or forcing Camerons hand, the Tory majority was unexpected and could be attributed to the English fear of Sturgeon influencing a Milliband Labour govt through potential coalition far outweighing any perceived UKIP threat. Perversely if it wasn't for Sturgeon lurking we could have had another coalition govt of some makeup and therefore probably no EU referendum but that's by the by.
 
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