Should those in the public eye resign for breaking lockdown rules?

Rlburnside said:
The knives are coming out now, 8 Tory MPs have come out and said he’s got to go.

Press conference put back a hour, interesting to see if Boris will keep him.
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Typical BoJo - ignore the question and keep saying the same thing. Absolutely no response to Peston's question. Quickly on to the next interviewer without allowing a response from the questioners unlike other briefings.
 
So when boris said we are all in this together, he really meant his special advisor can drive about spreading the virus all over the north of England.
Every ounce of credibility this government and Boris after catching the damn thing had has just gone out the window. Me some how things the in depth talks went a little like this.. Boris “ what happend Dominic, do you realise how bad this looks ? “. Dominic. “ LooK Boris without me your nothing, I made you and I will crush you ok, so nothing happened simple “ Boris “ All good Here then “ Spineless, weak and a civil servants puppet
 
Can someone quote the exact and full wording of the guidance and rules in force at the time. And point out which Cummings breached and which clauses he is using as his justification.

If you don't know the answers second part there is no point in answering as it is simply a one sided argument. I am interested in knowing if there is any merit in his case.
 
rulefan said:
Can someone quote the exact and full wording of the guidance and rules in force at the time. And point out which Cummings breached and which clauses he is using as his justification.

If you don't know the answers second part there is no point in answering as it is simply a one sided argument. I am interested in knowing if there is any merit in his case.
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Rules have nothing to do with this, this is about integrity and respect and trust and what ever other noble words you can remember that Boris used in his shambles of a briefing.
 
rulefan said:
Can someone quote the exact and full wording of the guidance and rules in force at the time. And point out which Cummings breached and which clauses he is using as his justification.

If you don't know the answers second part there is no point in answering as it is simply a one sided argument. I am interested in knowing if there is any merit in his case.
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Stay at home, protect the NHS, save lives. And he breached the 1st bit, so by default also the 2nd and 3rd bit.
 
rulefan said:
Can someone quote the exact and full wording of the guidance and rules in force at the time. And point out which Cummings breached and which clauses he is using as his justification.

If you don't know the answers second part there is no point in answering as it is simply a one sided argument. I am interested in knowing if there is any merit in his case.
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Not sure if this helps, I believe the bit in bold is the bit he’s using, whether that allowed someone to drive a certain distance for that is unclear.

March 23: Prime Minister Boris Johnson orders a strict UK lockdown urging the British public to ‘Stay Home, Protect the NHS, Save Lives’.

March 24: England’s deputy chief medical officer, Dr Jenny Harris, is asked what her advice would be if parents with children become sick:

“Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.

“...if the individuals do not have access to care support, formal care support or access to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs.”

March 27: Mr Johnson and Health Secretary, Matt Hancock, announce that they have tested positive for the coronavirus. Mr Cummings is seen leaving No 10 Downing Street shortly after the announcement.

March 28/29: Downing St confirms that Mr Cummings had started displaying coronavirus symptoms “over the weekend” of March 28-29.

March 30: Downing St confirms that Mr Cummings and his wife Mary Wakefield are self-isolating in their London home after developing symptoms of the virus. Although the exact date is unclear, it has emerged that around this time Mr Cummings and Ms Wakefield, together with their young son, drove to an address in Durham, 260 miles from London.
 
On an aside:-

Think that Steve Baker saw an opportunity to increase his profile within the Conservative party at the expense of Cummings, but it now seems to have backfired badly

Cummings hasn’t resigned, Boris has bluffed his way through another crisis

Those Tory MP’s calling for Cummings head will be sidelined, irrespective of ability, probably summoned to a meeting at No 10 without biscuits

Given Boris’ history maybe even deselection beckons
 
Ah the hypocrisy from Piers Moron asking Boris "what has Dominic Cummings got on you?"

So how exactly did you re-launch your career then Piers after you were sacked from the Daily Mirror for publishing those fake photos …..
 
pauldj42 said:
Not sure if this helps, I believe the bit in bold is the bit he’s using, whether that allowed someone to drive a certain distance for that is unclear.

“Clearly if you have adults who are unable to look after a small child, that is an exceptional circumstance.

“...if the individuals do not have access to care support, formal care support or access to family, they will be able to work through their local authority hubs.”
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Thank you. I have not seen what he has actually said about the embolded words. But I understand his family are in Durham. I wonder how many were aware of that statement.

Edit: I have no time for the man or his actions but I have only seen one side of the story as yet.
 
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rulefan said:
Thank you. I have not seen what he has actually said about the embolded words. But I understand his family are in Durham. I wonder how many were aware of that statement.

Edit: I have no time for the man or his actions but I have only seen one side of the story as yet.
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That’s because “his side” has only come out through No10 press releases and his comment to the media outside his home that he doesn’t care what they think.

I genuinely think he doesn’t believe he has to say anything.
 
Fact 1. He didnt stay at home, but Downing Street said he did.
Fact 2. He said he went for childcare, but never used it they all stayed in same house. Which he could of done in London.
Fact 3. He has never said if he stopped on route, there fore putting at risk unsuspecting people and their families.
Fact 4. Everyone is dodging the Barnard Castle issue.
Fact 5. Both him, Downing Street and his family said they never spoke or were spoken to by police. But Police say they did twice.

Who cares what the guidelines say he and others have lied and covered up while others have suffered massively because he told us to stay put.
 
Wildboy370 said:
Fact 1. He didnt stay at home, but Downing Street said he did.
Fact 2. He said he went for childcare, but never used it they all stayed in same house. Which he could of done in London.
Fact 3. He has never said if he stopped on route, there fore putting at risk unsuspecting people and their families.
Fact 4. Everyone is dodging the Barnard Castle issue.
Fact 5. Both him, Downing Street and his family said they never spoke or were spoken to by police. But Police say they did twice.

Who cares what the guidelines say he and others have lied and covered up while others have suffered massively because he told us to stay put.
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Well said.

Since lockdown I have worked a lot more than normal covering those shielding at work. In turn my 5 month pregnent wife (twins so even harder for her) has been alone a lot with our nearly 3 year old full of life daughter.

My parents (dad retired right at start, mum been working from home basically) live 1 mile drive

Her parents (dad furloughed, mum working from home and going in once every 2 weeks basically)
Live 10 mile away

Both are desperate to help out us, plus see their granddaughter.

Didn't break the lockdown, felt bad driving to see them through the window of the car. Apparently though childcare top trumps lockdown so all bets are now off
 
Cummings is in a privileged position with friends in high places who got him out of trouble when he broke the rules.
Boris wont be there for eveyone who breaks the rules and 2 wrongs don't make a right.
''He did it so I can do it'' is no defence.
The virus is still out there
 
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