Should pro's warn people more

Someone in the crowd could have shouted, if they saw the flight, some would be golfers and must have the instinct to shout four. And to have a go at the player!!!!! Remember this next time you at watching a Pro in a comp and they don't shout four! Do it for them and have a pop at them for not doing so. You'll be on the telly!!!
 
How come we've had people sued in this country after they have shouted Fore!

I know that happened in US but the warnings on the back of tickets are the same in both Countries, so if it happened in The Open would the warning on the ticket stand up in court.
 
Why can't the players, caddies, fans around the tee box, referees, the sign holder, the rake guy who goes with them! There's about 20 people on each tee box - its everyone's responsibility! Shows that the PGA obviously don't take it very seriously! signed ball of pat perez who???? Rather of not got hit!


Dasit said:
Disgraceful no one shouts fore. Surprised that did not kill him was one hell of a smack to the face.

Why can't the caddy shout? Should be part of their responsibility.
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I am in the habit of shouting Fore anytime the ball goes offline into trees or somewhere else where other golfers may be, as you never know where someone may be. I even shout for my playing partners if they dont shout early enough.

My opinion is better to be safe than sorry, plus at least the shout gives someone a chance to turn away, shield themselves etc.

As for the Pro's, I agree a penalty of some description should be implemented as youngsters watch the Pro's and think they dont need to shout Fore on the course!
 
lukeysafc100 said:
Why can't the players, caddies, fans around the tee box, referees, the sign holder, the rake guy who goes with them! There's about 20 people on each tee box - its everyone's responsibility! Shows that the PGA obviously don't take it very seriously! signed ball of pat perez who???? Rather of not got hit!
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Its not as if the pro has just rocked up and is playing the course blind. They know the exact line they want to hit. They know fine rightly when they hit it off line. It is no ones fault but theirs.

Shout fore and there will be a chorus of calls from the tee that resonates up the hole giving people a chance to take cover.

You can't rely on spectators at the teeing ground as they are usually a few people deep and not at a great angle to see if it is an errand drive or not. They are also scared of making the wrong call and upsetting a poor pro or embarrassing themselves in front of a big gallery.

With these large tournament courses, its unlikely you are going to be getting balls incoming from more than two places. The courses take up huge acreage unlike your local muni with loads of holes lumped on top of each other.
 
Snelly said:
Agreed. It is pathetic that many pros seem to consider themselves above the etiquette of the game in this specific regard.
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This...if you play golf off 28 or at an elite level you shout four,appauling and fines are the only way to tackle this with the pro's.
 
No questions anytime a ball is hit off line in the direction of spectators a shout must be made by the player or caddie. If no call then the player should be penalised a shot for the first
time in a round, 2 shots for second time in the same round. In the unlikely event of a third time it should be a DQ for dangerous behavour.

The ball now faster so the danger is higher.
 
I'm no expert or lawyer (wish I was then I'd be making more money) but I would of thought that the player and course would still have a "duty of care" towards others regardless, but I'm sure the organisers have this well covered. Terrible that pro's don't shout fore, it's a regular occurrence that balls get hit into the crowd and you cant blame them for that but there's no excuse for not warning them unless they were playing a blind shot and totally unaware they were about to hit someone.
 
I'm always surprised at these pro tournaments when the pro is in a bad spot. The crowd stand in a narrow "V" infront of the player. I wouldn't stand anywhere near the line the Pro is aiming. It only needs a poor strike on a bed of pine needles, clump of thick grass or a slight clip off a tree that they are trying to thread the ball through and that could be goodnight Vienna for you.
 
Ross61 said:
I'm always surprised at these pro tournaments when the pro is in a bad spot. The crowd stand in a narrow "V" infront of the player. I wouldn't stand anywhere near the line the Pro is aiming. It only needs a poor strike on a bed of pine needles, clump of thick grass or a slight clip off a tree that they are trying to thread the ball through and that could be goodnight Vienna for you.
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Yes surprises me too, you would think it would be distracting for the players as well. As you say they often have a poor lie and hitting it hard anything can happen, there would be no time to shout fore or for the crowd to react to a wayward hit.
 
There is absolutely no excuse for not shouting "Fore". For most golfers it's ingrained into them from the start and if you aren't sure where it's going, shout anyway. I pulled a drive at the weekend, it was going to a blind area, I couldn't see anything but shouted anyway. I've nearly been hit a couple of times from someone not shouting.
 
I watched that shot in horror live on Sky Sports. The noise it made when it hit the poor child was as it had hit a wooden table full on. Until such time as someone is maimed, or God help us killed by an errant shot off the tee nothing will change. The organisers of every main tour event insert a clause in your ticket which states when you enter the golf course you do so at your own risk, thus availing themselves of any blame for injury received during the tournament on or off the course. This isn't shown on their long list of Can't Do's http://www.thehondaclassic.com/spectator-info/tips-info but is printed (in very small writing) on every ticket.

Whilst I'm not one for litigation over such things it really is time someone tested this in Court to find out the liability of the person who hot the golf ball in the event of a major injury which went on to hinder that person's ability to work or earn money (such as brain damage or a loss of an eye). Surely in this case the player would be responsible for the spectator's future earning potential & be made to pay out a huge sum. I guarantee at the next event after such a ruling players would be shouting 'Fore' after every tee shot not hit 'ruler-straight' down the fairway.
 
Radbourne2010 said:
I watched that shot in horror live on Sky Sports. The noise it made when it hit the poor child was as it had hit a wooden table full on. Until such time as someone is maimed, or God help us killed by an errant shot off the tee nothing will change. The organisers of every main tour event insert a clause in your ticket which states when you enter the golf course you do so at your own risk, thus availing themselves of any blame for injury received during the tournament on or off the course. This isn't shown on their long list of Can't Do's http://www.thehondaclassic.com/spectator-info/tips-info but is printed (in very small writing) on every ticket.

Whilst I'm not one for litigation over such things it really is time someone tested this in Court to find out the liability of the person who hot the golf ball in the event of a major injury which went on to hinder that person's ability to work or earn money (such as brain damage or a loss of an eye). Surely in this case the player would be responsible for the spectator's future earning potential & be made to pay out a huge sum. I guarantee at the next event after such a ruling players would be shouting 'Fore' after every tee shot not hit 'ruler-straight' down the fairway.
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It is certainly a rather strange situation where, as amateurs, you and I can be sued by other players, or members of the public for any damage our golf balls may inflict (even if we shout!), yet these pros do not have any liability. Why should we be expected to carry insurance when it appears a few words on a ticket can absolve golfers playing in an 'event' that is run solely to make money. Normal businesses cannot absolve themselves from a 'duty of care' to their customers or members of the public even by written warnings which may be declared unfair terms.

It is also rather disappointing that there are a few Pros who 'seem' quite happy to launch their balls with gay abandon towards a crowded spectating area knowing the likelihood is that a spectator will stop it going too far and OoB.

Unlike the USPGA, at least the European Tour has attempted to gain some control.
 
I think a time will come when a player or their caddy fails to shout and someone gets seriously injured or worse and will sue and win despite the legal mumbo jumbo on the tickets. It's a serious issue that the PGA and European Tour need to address
 
I feel so strongly about this that I was going to highlight the situation to the R&A but I guess the USPGA have there own rules,I will say you are more likely to get a European Tour player to shout four that a US tour player.
 
Recently a burglar fell through a roof even though there were lots of signs to say it was unsafe and he was breaking the law.
He won his case in court for damages .
So how can a few words on the back of a ticket carry so much weight.
Has anyone actually tested this in court surely they have no win no fee in the US.
 
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