Shame on you PGA.....

An interesting debate.

Hasn't there always been an element in golf of "technical" players like Hogan, and Faldo who tried to understand the mecahnics of the golf swing and "natural" players like Snead and Seve who just swung the club?
 
This is a very interesting thread and hopefully continues :thup:

I'm a big fan of instinctive type golf but I also love the mechanics.

Before high speed cameras and magazines publishing frame by frame images of the swing all people could go on was what it 'looked like" or 'felt like'

Was it hogan or Snead (can't remember) who said when asked how to hit the ball further retorted "hit it harder"
 
everything in life as to have the working of it inside & out ,its very interesting if you want to see how it works

the problem is, if you don't learn the sport at a young age it just gets harder as we get older ,so should golf coach's who all read from the same book be teaching the middle aged golfers the same way as the younger to be golfers the ways the book says
 
MashieNiblick said:
An interesting debate.

Hasn't there always been an element in golf of "technical" players like Hogan, and Faldo who tried to understand the mecahnics of the golf swing and "natural" players like Snead and Seve who just swung the club?
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Quite right. A good point well made.
 
DarthVega said:
This is a very interesting thread and hopefully continues :thup:
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It was supposed to be about the fact that the PGA had an opportunity to hold up their hands and say something along the lines of.... "Yes, we made a mistake, the manual that we use to instruct has been at the best misleading for our instructors, we apologise and will rewrite it more clearly", but they didn't.
 
JustOne said:
It was supposed to be about the fact that the PGA had an opportunity to hold up their hands and say something along the lines of.... "Yes, we made a mistake, the manual that we use to instruct has been at the best misleading for our instructors, we apologise and will rewrite it more clearly", but they didn't.
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Can I just add....
James (I hope) is referring to the USPGA and not THE PGA in Britain.
 
All I will say is this for just over two years I was obsessed wih all things technical. Trying to develop the perfect swing and ball flight, understand equipment and the myriad of options out there. I'm not cured but I've got better.

The technical guys out there that love this stuff good luck to you. All I know ais that it doesn't work for me. Over the past three months since I stopped the blog and started approaching the game the Snelly way I have:

a) enjoyed my golf more
b) started playing better
c) placed in the top three in a number of competitions

I don't think it is a coincidence
 
Both have been wrong Bob, you know it and so do I..... we can trawl through as many UK golfswing youtube videos or websites as you like.... [lest we not forget you teach people to hit round a tree with the clubface pointing right at it!].

I did notice a line in what you posted right back at the start of the thread... it says...

"The second most influential factor on the shape of the shot is the direction the club is
swinging in through impact."

What is the first?
 
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JustOne said:
Both have been wrong Bob, you know it and so do I..... we can trawl through as many UK golfswing youtube videos or websites as you like....

I did notice a line in what you posted right back at the start of the thread... it says...

"The second most influential factor on the shape of the shot is the direction the club is
swinging in through impact."

What is the first?
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Yes both WERE wrong.
But times have changed

The shape of the ball flight is influenced by the swing path and club face.
The clubface is most influencial in determining the starting direction of the ball and the swingpath is mostly responsible for the sidespin imparted on the ball.

Agreed?
 
bobmac said:
Yes both WERE wrong.
But times have changed

The shape of the ball flight is influenced by the swing path and club face.
The clubface is most influencial in determining the starting direction of the ball and the swingpath is mostly responsible for the sidespin imparted on the ball.

Agreed?
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Absolutely.... and that's why we love ya Bob :D
 
Im just saying the USPGA havent changed their teaching methods but the PGA have.
And as someone who has sat the PGA exams and got my degree in golf with merit, I can speak with relative confidence on what they do teach now. :)

I'm now off to the Post office to find out how much it costs to send 5 V-Easys to Bangor NI :D
 
Because the clubhead is so much harder (stiffer) than a golf ball, the golf ball goes primarily in the face direction. In the other extreme, say a table tenis bat and ball, where the face is much softer than the ball, then the ball sets off in the direction of the swing path.

How can there be anything new in this.
Why is this such a surprise ?
 
JustOne said:
It was supposed to be about the fact that the PGA had an opportunity to hold up their hands and say something along the lines of.... "Yes, we made a mistake, the manual that we use to instruct has been at the best misleading for our instructors, we apologise and will rewrite it more clearly", but they didn't.
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I really wanted to stay out of this discussion but............

I started my PGA training in 2003 and all the information i got from the PGA was very clear and very correct. Also, not once did i get told to get my pupils to 'sway onto the rear foot in the backswing' or 'roll the wrists' in the swing.
The PGA training prepares you to coach the player and not to teach a set method.
 
sev112 said:
Because the clubhead is so much harder (stiffer) than a golf ball, the golf ball goes primarily in the face direction. In the other extreme, say a table tenis bat and ball, where the face is much softer than the ball, then the ball sets off in the direction of the swing path.

How can there be anything new in this.
Why is this such a surprise ?
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That was not the only point in question. The arguement was based on how to shape a golf shot and how this had been mistaught by many including the USPGA.

I would also question your logic regarding the reasons how balls are deflected. Can you explain the physics for your theory please?
 
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percy_layer said:
I really wanted to stay out of this discussion but............

I started my PGA training in 2003 and all the information i got from the PGA was very clear and very correct. Also, not once did i get told to get my pupils to 'sway onto the rear foot in the backswing' or 'roll the wrists' in the swing.
The PGA training prepares you to coach the player and not to teach a set method.
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So were you were explained the 'D Plane' method ?
 
SocketRocket said:
I thought Mark Crossfield would have know better than this. Contrary to his explanation see the ball go straight at the target then turn left.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AbsK-sCcRKQ&feature=related
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Brian...... good one.... these UK PGA guys with their pull-draws, tut tut. I'm not even going to bother to look at the rest of his videos............................... well not right now ;) LOL

Poulter and Rose both explain similar on Youtube... although there's are slightly more gratuitous in that they tell you to line up right of the target and THEN hit a pull :D

Still... apparently they weren't taught this method by the PGA..... so they must be making it up! :whistle:
 
I'm (more) confused.

Crossfield says swing more from the inside and he's trying to have the face closing.
Poulter and Rose both aim right but club face aiming at target, then they swing along their alignment direction so ball starts right of target line then draws back.

What is it fundamentally that's wrong with this and makes it a pull? Is this the thing that the uspga and ukpga have been getting wrong for so long?
I thought I knew the ball flights which I learned as a kid from John Jacobs very simple book on the golf swing, I'm assuming that he's officially wrong as well now?
 
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