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Scottish Prem 18/19

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Jacko_G said:
And you get others who have gone to that level and thrived like Kenny McLean is doing now at Norwich after his injuries.

Not a great argument as you can look at premiership "stars" who have not performed in the SPL.
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Will be interested to know that list ?
 
Jacko_G said:
You can.look at Keane and Barton for starters.
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So a Keane who went to Scotland as a 34 year old with crippling knee injuries and ended up retiring after 6 months because of the knee ?

And Barton had his contract terminated due to a bust up


Both players at their peaks would have clearly performed but judging over a total of 15 games between the two ?

I was expecting someone like Flo ? Or someone who at least played more than a season and wasn’t at the end of his career.
 
Jacko_G said:
Laughable.

Celtic would easily survive and grow in the Premiership. And I ain't a Celtic fan.

Christ Aberdeen gave Burnley a huge fright and Aberdeen's most expensive player cost under £400k.

Some absolute tripe gets spouted on here.
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In a cup anything can happen. That being said the prem team still won.

Celtic would grow with the finances, but would still struggle to catch up with the top teams. Unless a sugar daddy came in or the ffp rules were changed they simply wouldn’t be able to catch up the financial headstart other teams had.

In regards players success going from one league to the other. Most players that come from solo and do well are young players with their careers on the rise. Not at the end coasting as happens the other way around.
 
Jacko_G said:
Laughable.

Celtic would easily survive and grow in the Premiership. And I ain't a Celtic fan.

Christ Aberdeen gave Burnley a huge fright and Aberdeen's most expensive player cost under £400k.

Some absolute tripe gets spouted on here.
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Yes and you seem to spout most of it.

At the end of the day Burnley went through.

Ask UEFA if the two Premier Leagues are comparable.

Sadly it's all about money and resources and, whether it is fair or not the Scottish clubs are massively outgunned in that respect.
 
MetalMickie said:
Yes and you seem to spout most of it.

At the end of the day Burnley went through.

Ask UEFA if the two Premier Leagues are comparable.

Sadly it's all about money and resources and, whether it is fair or not the Scottish clubs are massively outgunned in that respect.
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Again your spouting guff. I'm not the one that said the leagues were comparable, if you look really far back you'll see I'm more than aware how limited Scottish football is.

Imagine a Burnley team that spent a fraction under £30 million going through against an Aberdeen side who spent £225k on an 18 year old during the same period. As you correctly point out it is down to money and resources, shame the vast majority of them vastly under perform at the top level.
 
Have I got this comparison right...
We have to take an spl club and compare it to an epl/championship club and see how they get on over the session, but... the spl club have to keep their current levels of TV and all other income and keep existing team/wage structure?

What's the point in that!

It's not remotely comparable in that guise
 
HughJars said:
And vice versa of course.
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Yes sometimes but more often when I watch SPL games on Sky I am surprised by the players who have gone North from the lower reaches of the English game.

To clarify I am not saying that Scottish clubs could not compete down here given the same resources. You only have to look at Bournemouth to see what effect financial backing can have upon an apparently small club.

My point was in answer to the suggestion that Scottish clubs could be competitive with their current level of finances.
 
MetalMickie said:
And a few years ago Che Adams was discarded by Coventry as a youngster but now he is a target for a number of Premier League clubs.

What does that prove? Are Coventry better than the EPL?
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Pukki wasn't a youngster, he was 24 and a relatively big money transfer when he came to Celtic and failed.

But I agree it doesn't prove one league is better than the other, just as your posts don't.
 
MetalMickie said:
Yes sometimes but more often when I watch SPL games on Sky I am surprised by the players who have gone North from the lower reaches of the English game.

To clarify I am not saying that Scottish clubs could not compete down here given the same resources. You only have to look at Bournemouth to see what effect financial backing can have upon an apparently small club.

My point was in answer to the suggestion that Scottish clubs could be competitive with their current level of finances.
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The latest Deloitte Money List puts Celtic somewhere between the 40 and 50th richest club in the world (they only give exact placings for the top 20, which includes 9 EPL clubs). Rangers are just outside the top 70. That suggests that Celtic are on a financial par with a number of Prem clubs, and Rangers with the Championship.
 
rudebhoy said:
The latest Deloitte Money List puts Celtic somewhere between the 40 and 50th richest club in the world (they only give exact placings for the top 20, which includes 9 EPL clubs). Rangers are just outside the top 70. That suggests that Celtic are on a financial par with a number of Prem clubs, and Rangers with the Championship.
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The record transfer fee for Celtic is still under £10m, very low in this modern era. If Celtic have money is there pressure for them to spend more to help them compete in Europe or is there an acceptance that they spend enough to win in Scotland and no more is required? I know all fans want more spending but if we get past that is there contentment for domestic honours only?
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The record transfer fee for Celtic is still under £10m, very low in this modern era. If Celtic have money is there pressure for them to spend more to help them compete in Europe or is there an acceptance that they spend enough to win in Scotland and no more is required? I know all fans want more spending but if we get past that is there contentment for domestic honours only?
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Yeah I don't see their money men spending 2 or 3 times what they do now just to reach the knockout stages in europe its not viable return (and they'd need to spend at least 10 times current levels to attract players to be serious CL contenders which is also pointless as those players are not going to tolerate going to paisly or hamilton on a winters night in feb)
 
rudebhoy said:
The latest Deloitte Money List puts Celtic somewhere between the 40 and 50th richest club in the world (they only give exact placings for the top 20, which includes 9 EPL clubs). Rangers are just outside the top 70. That suggests that Celtic are on a financial par with a number of Prem clubs, and Rangers with the Championship.
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And is that not what I said in post #674?
 
Slab said:
Yeah I don't see their money men spending 2 or 3 times what they do now just to reach the knockout stages in europe its not viable return (and they'd need to spend at least 10 times current levels to attract players to be serious CL contenders which is also pointless as those players are not going to tolerate going to paisly or hamilton on a winters night in feb)
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Good summary. It is a tough situation for them. They are effectively treading water, going nowhere. They have the set up for something bigger but I am not sure where they can go, how things can change.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
Good summary. It is a tough situation for them. They are effectively treading water, going nowhere. They have the set up for something bigger but I am not sure where they can go, how things can change.
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I was chatting through what I thought Celtic cared about winning with a guy in the office...

I think they want 10 in a row... that is all that matters and that's all they need to spend money doing
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The record transfer fee for Celtic is still under £10m, very low in this modern era. If Celtic have money is there pressure for them to spend more to help them compete in Europe or is there an acceptance that they spend enough to win in Scotland and no more is required? I know all fans want more spending but if we get past that is there contentment for domestic honours only?
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Good question.
I think this may be a big factor in why Rodgers moved, board wouldn't stump up enough to mount sustained European campaigns each year. Domestic 10 in a row is kind of arbitrary and just a fans (and maybe board's) target to better Rangers record, that seems to be top priority. However as a manager winning the 10th is just the same as winning the first, third, sixth etc and that 10 in a row record will be the club's, not the manager's as both Lennon and Deila also contributed titles, not just Rodgers. Europe was the only place Rodgers could really make his mark and despite a few decent qualifying results hasn't really done that.
Rodgers has ambition and I'm sure wants to coach again at the very top club level be that in England or Europe, Leicester is a stepping stone (if it works out).
Not sure why Celtic fans are sour, it was a coup getting him to Celtic and he's won them 7 trophies and they get a decent payday for him.
Until there is a British League or the EPL TV money dwindles, will always be thus.
 
Interesting comment on t'wireless this morning.
Sectarian chanting/singing from the stands, stop the game for 10 minutes to sort it out.
If it carries on after that, abandon the game.

Hearts have threatened to close the section of the stand where about 20/40 idiots spout their vile. Seems to be working.
 
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