I think over a full season the comparison is fair, facing better Opposition week in week out would imo demoralise any of those Scottish teams pretty quick.
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I can remember thinking Chris Sutton (dropped/moved on by Chelsea) was, by far, the stand-out player for either team in the Celtic-Hibs match I watched in 2000 - though Henrik Larsson wasn't back at that stage. It might have been his first outing for Celtic. Rusell Latapy was Hibs's best that night, though far short of (and shorter than
Sutton) . Attending that match would have had my Gran, a devoted Hearts fan, spinning in her grave, but it was the only match I could get to!Celtic is really the only team that has been consistent enough to compete with even mid-table EPL teams. Rangers might/look likely to get there soon. Other SPL clubs might have a good year, but are just not consistent enough imo. They'd probably struggle at Championship level imo. To me. it seems very closely related to crowds/attendance/income - which is why the top 2 are a step (or more) above the rest. In that regard, Scottish clubs overall actually seem to be punching above their weight!
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I agree with the comment about the majority of SPL clubs punching above their weight.
When I consider their income levels, not just TV but also attendances, I am sometimes amazed that they can remain as competitive as they do.
However, that doesn't alter my opinion on how they compare with either the Premier League or Championship in England.
When I consider their income levels, not just TV but also attendances, I am sometimes amazed that they can remain as competitive as they do.
However, that doesn't alter my opinion on how they compare with either the Premier League or Championship in England.
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I get what you're saying but sometimes that trend is reversed, thinking Martyn Waghorn, very average and then dumped by Rangers, doing pretty well at Derby now. Could be playing 'abroad' doesn't suit some, away from family and friends they get a bit homesick etc so form suffers. Bannan and Mulgrew are doing fine in championship as is Alan Hutton, Johnny Russell at Derby. Quite a few ex SPL are easily at home at Championship level.
How's ex Aberdeen player Kenny McLean doing at Norwich, still injured?
As an Aberdeen fan sometimes wish you'd kept Stevie May down there tbh.
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I get what you're saying but sometimes that trend is reversed, thinking Martyn Waghorn, very average and then dumped by Rangers, doing pretty well at Derby now. Could be playing 'abroad' doesn't suit some, away from family and friends they get a bit homesick etc so form suffers. Bannan and Mulgrew are doing fine in championship as is Alan Hutton, Johnny Russell at Derby. Quite a few ex SPL are easily at home at Championship level.
How's ex Aberdeen player Kenny McLean doing at Norwich, still injured?
As an Aberdeen fan sometimes wish you'd kept Stevie May down there tbh.
I accept that some have succeeded but more have not.
BTW Bannan went to Villa as a kid and Russell (now at Kansas City) was never a consistent success at Derby.
There have been isolated successes from a whole range of countries but that still wouldn't mean that the leagues in those countries are comparable with the EPL or Championship.
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I get what you're saying but sometimes that trend is reversed, thinking Martyn Waghorn, very average and then dumped by Rangers, doing pretty well at Derby now. Could be playing 'abroad' doesn't suit some, away from family and friends they get a bit homesick etc so form suffers. Bannan and Mulgrew are doing fine in championship as is Alan Hutton, Johnny Russell at Derby. Quite a few ex SPL are easily at home at Championship level.
How's ex Aberdeen player Kenny McLean doing at Norwich, still injured?
As an Aberdeen fan sometimes wish you'd kept Stevie May down there tbh.
Teemu Pukki is a good example. Total flop at Celtic, now top scorer in the Championship. McLean is also doing fine, scored a couple at the weekend.
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And a few years ago Che Adams was discarded by Coventry as a youngster but now he is a target for a number of Premier League clubs.
What does that prove? Are Coventry better than the EPL?
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Virgil has done quite well.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/virgil-van-dijk/profil/spieler/139208.
Clum Patterson is a regular first teamer in the EPL.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/virgil-van-dijk/profil/spieler/139208.
Clum Patterson is a regular first teamer in the EPL.
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Virgil has done quite well.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/virgil-van-dijk/profil/spieler/139208.
Clum Patterson is a regular first teamer in the EPL.
You are right van Dijk has come on a treat since he came South.
Cardiff is about the only side that would give Patterson a game.
Doon frae Troon
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Clum is playing in the world famous EPL though so he must be brilliant,
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I certain I saw somewhere that Arsenal were interested in signing Clum for around £45m.
Yeah right!
Not a hope in hell that even in these daft times any top 6 side would go anywhere near him.
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Cardiff very soon will be a championship team
Every single time a comparison is made between a Scottish League and an English one you always bring up the same small amount of players as if it’s some justification
Each league will have a player that will be able to make a step up in level VVD is one but the list moving from SPL to EPL isn’t a long one - it used to be in the 80’s and 70’s with some outstanding players moving south
But now you more than likely find players who are struggling for a game in the EPL moving North and finding a good level , Prem Clubs Loan players to give them game time in tbe same way they go to Championship clubs - same level
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Players, yes. But as Real's Galacticos found out in the early to mid 2000s individual players no matter how good or bad or well regarded do not a team maketh.
The point here is how teams would fare not individual players.
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And I stand by what I said.
Celtic would probably survive in the EPL
Rangers would be in the promotion mix from the Championship and two or three others possibly survive in that league.
The rest would not.
Virgil has done quite well.
https://www.transfermarkt.com/virgil-van-dijk/profil/spieler/139208.
Clum Patterson is a regular first teamer in the EPL.
Not sure anyone has said that the top players of the spl like Virgil can't go to the prem, but its more the mediocre prem ones that can still hack in in the spl that show the gulf.
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Then I take my hat off to you and your astounding precognition.
I assume you are making such dazzling predictions based on resources being equal and not the status quo?
As I say, great predictive knowledge. I'm out on this one though.
If they survived then the money would surely flow, but first season in. Current squads, i don't see anyone other than Celtic having a chance to survive.
One the money flows, realistically celtic would still struggle to get above mid table for a fair while as they would have far superior squads to the current top 6 and less money coming in than them for a fair few seasons if ffp is still in effect.
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Obviously if improved resources were available then clubs could sign better players and, therefore, should achieve more.
It sadly is the reality of the modern game as I grew up in a time where there was virtually a parity between the games North and South.
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And you get others who have gone to that level and thrived like Kenny McLean is doing now at Norwich after his injuries.
Not a great argument as you can look at premiership "stars" who have not performed in the SPL.
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Laughable.
Celtic would easily survive and grow in the Premiership. And I ain't a Celtic fan.
Christ Aberdeen gave Burnley a huge fright and Aberdeen's most expensive player cost under £400k.
Some absolute tripe gets spouted on here.