Rules question

[upanddown]

Hi all, new to the forum but have been reading since taking the game back up this year after 6 years away.

I played an open competition yesterday and was pipped to a win by the better inward half of another competitor( who happened to be my playing partner who was a member of the home club)

After signing the cards, I was 1 shot ahead of him. The organisers later pointed out that my playing partner had signed for a wrong score (68), as his handicap was 1 more than he put on his card and should have been a 67.

They were more than apologetic when explaining to me, as they had told me 15 mins prior that I had won. Unsure f the rules, I accepted that this was all correct but I had my doubts as I thought that if you sign for a card it cannot be amended.

Hope someone can clear this up for my and put my mind at rest.

Cheers guys.

 

[viscount17]

it's not a wrong score but a wrong total, wrong score is signing for a 4 when you took 5. you are not responsible for the total (nor calculating Stableford points).

if he put his handicap on his card as 10 when it should be 11 then tough on him - that's what he plays off for the round. if he puts 11 when he's a 10 then he's DQ'd

imo you were gipped

 

[palindromicbob]

The organizers have ignored the rule book here.

Under 6-2 as he declared a lower handicap (no advantage) then this stands as recorded on the card.

6-6 C Scorecard can't be altered after being submitted to the committee.

Under 33-5 the committee must apply the handicap recorded on the score card and determining the result based on that recorded handicap.

So you should have won under the rules as they are.

If the situation had been the other way and he'd recorded a higher handicap than he had then he would be disqualified.

 

[Fyldewhite]

I would complain to the organisers. They are clearly wrong. If they can't get pretty basic rules like this right they really need to take a serious look at themselves.

 

[RGDave]

Odd. I'm not great on these sorts of rules, but I thought it was OK to play off too low a h'cap but not the other way round.
I think they should have taken it "as is" not bump him up a stroke.
Someone will know for sure.

 

[viscount17]

RGD, it is okay to play off a lower handicap, that's why he wouldn't be DQ'd but you take your medicine as to the score.

 

[Ethan]

The guy played off the handicap written on the card. If that was lower than his real one, he was a lower handicapper for a round. End of. The Committee has no power to overturn that, so have acted illegally. You should challenge that, and contact the R&A if needed.

Now, if he had written down the handicap and all 18 individual hole scores correctly, but added them up wrongly, or subtracted the handicap wrongly, those are different matters which can and will be correctable by the Committee.

 

[upanddown]

Thanks for all the replies, much appreciated.

Feel a bit aggrieved at this, but can't be bothered with the hassle of making an issue of it.

Still got a decent pro shop voucher for finishing 2nd, so I can compensate myself with some new clothes or kit.

 

[swanny32]

Balls to not complaining, I would. That's not fair and they are implementing incorrect rules which needs to be addressed otherwise what's the point in playing the game? This could happen again further down the line and again that wouldn't be fair on the person who rightfully won.

 

[HawkeyeMS]

I agree, if you don't point out the mistake it will happen again. If these guys are organising Open comps, or any comps for that matter, they need to know the rules. No point playing otherwise

 

[bobmac]

What would happen if the guy concerned had played the day before and beaten SSS by 1 and he was off 11.5? What should he play off the next day if the results hadn't yet been posted? 11 says the rules
And if after his round, the club had worked out the CSS for the day before and the CSS had gone down by 1 so in actual fact he should still be playing off 12?

 

[0]

You definitely should write a short courteous letter to the committee quoting the R&A rules and asking nicely what they feel would be the best course of action?
The others are correct here in that if you don't point it out it could happen again, it's a bit suss that it was the local guy this happened to.
You have been wrongly robbed of an open win and you must say something. I take it you don't want to cause a fuss but a short letter and then stand by what they say will at least highlight it, I'd consider sending a copy to the R&A and noting that on the letter so they know the official body knows about it so they will at least reply.
Good luck and keep us appraised.

 

[0]

What would happen if the guy concerned had played the day before and beaten SSS by 1 and he was off 11.5? What should he play off the next day if the results hadn't yet been posted? 11 says the rules
And if after his round, the club had worked out the CSS for the day before and the CSS had gone down by 1 so in actual fact he should still be playing off 12?

He'd have to have beaten the CSS by 1 and nearly all scores go up same day, if they didn't he wouldn't know the CSS and his handicap wouldn't change.

You like playing devils avocado don't you

 

[bobmac]

What would happen if the guy concerned had played the day before and beaten SSS by 1 and he was off 11.5? What should he play off the next day if the results hadn't yet been posted? 11 says the rules
And if after his round, the club had worked out the CSS for the day before and the CSS had gone down by 1 so in actual fact he should still be playing off 12?

He'd have to have beaten the CSS by 1 and nearly all scores go up same day, if they didn't he wouldn't know the CSS and his handicap wouldn't change.

You like playing devils avocado don't you

But if you beat the SSS and you play again in a comp before the results are made known to you, you should cut yourself according to the SSS.

I'm just assuming the committee in question know the correct procedure and trying to guess why they changed the result. It may be that the golfer in question has a relative on the committee

 

[0]

What would happen if the guy concerned had played the day before and beaten SSS by 1 and he was off 11.5? What should he play off the next day if the results hadn't yet been posted? 11 says the rules
And if after his round, the club had worked out the CSS for the day before and the CSS had gone down by 1 so in actual fact he should still be playing off 12?

He'd have to have beaten the CSS by 1 and nearly all scores go up same day, if they didn't he wouldn't know the CSS and his handicap wouldn't change.

You like playing devils avocado don't you

But if you beat the SSS and you play again in a comp before the results are made known to you, you should cut yourself according to the SSS.

I'm just assuming the committee in question know the correct procedure and trying to guess why they changed the result. It may be that the golfer in question has a relative on the committee

however if he beat the SSS by 1 and the CSS had gone down what then?

 

[rosecott]

What would happen if the guy concerned had played the day before and beaten SSS by 1 and he was off 11.5? What should he play off the next day if the results hadn't yet been posted? 11 says the rules
And if after his round, the club had worked out the CSS for the day before and the CSS had gone down by 1 so in actual fact he should still be playing off 12?

He'd have to have beaten the CSS by 1 and nearly all scores go up same day, if they didn't he wouldn't know the CSS and his handicap wouldn't change.

You like playing devils avocado don't you

But if you beat the SSS and you play again in a comp before the results are made known to you, you should cut yourself according to the SSS.

I'm just assuming the committee in question know the correct procedure and trying to guess why they changed the result. It may be that the golfer in question has a relative on the committee

however if he beat the SSS by 1 and the CSS had gone down what then?

He still has to cut himself in relation to SSS if CSS is not known