Roy Hodgson - Was 4 Months Too Long at Liverpool

[Hobbit]

I agree and that's pretty much what I've been saying since 2010!!

So you agree Hodgson at that time was the wrong appointment from the outset given the conditions he was facing?

Dalglish publicly came out and backed Hodgson himself so I can't agree he stuck the knife in.

I just wish I could erase those 6months he was here from my memory!!

OUCH!

Do you know what, I'm going to agree with you that Hodgson was the wrong appointment. I still feel he was/is a good manager but also now feel that he wasn't in the right mould for a Liverpool manager at that time.

Whatever happened to the boot room production line you had? Appreciate with the regs nowadays they have to have coaching badges coming out of every orifice but L'pool's boot room produced some great Managers and continuity.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Hodgson is one of footballs organisers. Drills a team well, gets a good amount out of average players. His record shows he does well at modest clubs. His strengths are not at the top end, using flair players, exciting fans. A good manager but at the wrong club. A bad fit.

Liverpools financial woes, Hicks and Gillette. Blimey. Bandits of the highest order.

Hobbit - Roy Evans was the last of the boot room boys to get to the top. The problem after him was that managers came in and persuaded owners that they needed their own staff. Liverpool then joined the merry go round that other clubs have of new manager plus staff replace old manager plus staff. Big turnarounds, no continuity. A great shame, and that comes from a blue.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

OUCH!

Do you know what, I'm going to agree with you that Hodgson was the wrong appointment. I still feel he was/is a good manager but also now feel that he wasn't in the right mould for a Liverpool manager at that time.

Whatever happened to the boot room production line you had? Appreciate with the regs nowadays they have to have coaching badges coming out of every orifice but L'pool's boot room produced some great Managers and continuity.

Hodgson is a good manager - along with the likes of Pardew , Pullis , Bruce etc - all do very good jobs but not managers that will go to the top clubs. They need trophy winning managers , guys who have managed the top teams in the big leagues and excelled in the CL

Rafa shouldn't have been fired but when he was Hodgson shouldn't have got the job just as Kenny shouldn't have got the job

The management within our club when Hicks was around was rotten to the core and it's ripped the club apart and lost us the best manager we have had since Bob - still haven't recovered from that and it's looking like we are going to struggle again.

 

[Hobbit]

Hodgson is a good manager - along with the likes of Pardew , Pullis , Bruce etc - all do very good jobs but not managers that will go to the top clubs. They need trophy winning managers , guys who have managed the top teams in the big leagues and excelled in the CL

Rafa shouldn't have been fired but when he was Hodgson shouldn't have got the job just as Kenny shouldn't have got the job

The management within our club when Hicks was around was rotten to the core and it's ripped the club apart and lost us the best manager we have had since Bob - still haven't recovered from that and it's looking like we are going to struggle again.

Hodgson was a trophy winning manager, and a title winning manager, at many clubs. He took many clubs into Europe for their first time. And he turned around many ailing clubs. His managerial record of achievement goes back 40 years to the mid 70's. He's way better than Pardew, Pullis and Bruce. What would he have done at a decent premiership club we'll never know. But what he does have from his time in Europe is a knowledge of European football.

Wiki him and see how many clubs he achieved firsts with. First time to win a cup, first time in Europe, highest league position. And then have a look at some of the firsts with England, including beating several teams for the first time in donkey's years... not bad with England when you think about the transition from the great underachieving golden team that included the like of Gerrard and Lampard. And on the best run since the Venables era.

I don't like the style of football he promotes but it gets results. Equating him with the Pardews of this world does him an injustice, he's way better.

So who should have got the job after Benitez?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Hodgson was a trophy winning manager, and a title winning manager, at many clubs. He took many clubs into Europe for their first time. And he turned around many ailing clubs. His managerial record of achievement goes back 40 years to the mid 70's. He's way better than Pardew, Pullis and Bruce. What would he have done at a decent premiership club we'll never know. But what he does have from his time in Europe is a knowledge of European football.

Wiki him and see how many clubs he achieved firsts with. First time to win a cup, first time in Europe, highest league position. And then have a look at some of the firsts with England, including beating several teams for the first time in donkey's years... not bad with England when you think about the transition from the great underachieving golden team that included the like of Gerrard and Lampard. And on the best run since the Venables era.

I don't like the style of football he promotes but it gets results. Equating him with the Pardews of this world does him an injustice, he's way better.

So who should have got the job after Benitez?

Without sounding like a stuck record, no quality manager would've touched us due to the mess we were in. Kenny was the only man that should've had it until we were sold then it was up to the new owners.

Kennys 5 months in charge earned him another season, though in hindsight he should've been spewed. The new owners had a chance tosay thanks but no thanks we're looking long-term for a top manager and I think majority of proper fans would've accepted that but they never.

Don't forget it was Rafa who exposed those 2 charlatans, he could've easily kept his mouth shut and had a feed from the trough, like others at other clubs have done.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Hodgson was a trophy winning manager, and a title winning manager, at many clubs. He took many clubs into Europe for their first time. And he turned around many ailing clubs. His managerial record of achievement goes back 40 years to the mid 70's. He's way better than Pardew, Pullis and Bruce. What would he have done at a decent premiership club we'll never know. But what he does have from his time in Europe is a knowledge of European football.

Wiki him and see how many clubs he achieved firsts with. First time to win a cup, first time in Europe, highest league position. And then have a look at some of the firsts with England, including beating several teams for the first time in donkey's years... not bad with England when you think about the transition from the great underachieving golden team that included the like of Gerrard and Lampard. And on the best run since the Venables era.

I don't like the style of football he promotes but it gets results. Equating him with the Pardews of this world does him an injustice, he's way better.

So who should have got the job after Benitez?

But it's trophies at the smaller leagues - the Scandanavian league isn't a top league - it's not winning trophies at the top level IMO - he has done no better in England than the Pardews etc of the League. There is a world of difference between challenging for Prem Leagues and CLs

Name one major trophy he has won - answer is none and that's why he wouldn't be touched by a top club.

As for who should have got the job after Rafa - I don't know but I do know it shouldn't have been Hodgson

 

[Pin-seeker]

But it's trophies at the smaller leagues - the Scandanavian league isn't a top league - it's not winning trophies at the top level IMO - he has done no better in England than the Pardews etc of the League. There is a world of difference between challenging for Prem Leagues and CLs

Name one major trophy he has won - answer is none and that's why he wouldn't be touched by a top club.

As for who should have got the job after Rafa - I don't know but I do know it shouldn't have been Hodgson

What has Brenda won again??
Oh yeah The Championship play off final.
It wasn't so long ago that you were telling us all how good he was.

 

[Hobbit]

But it's trophies at the smaller leagues - the Scandanavian league isn't a top league - it's not winning trophies at the top level IMO - he has done no better in England than the Pardews etc of the League. There is a world of difference between challenging for Prem Leagues and CLs

Name one major trophy he has won - answer is none and that's why he wouldn't be touched by a top club.

As for who should have got the job after Rafa - I don't know but I do know it shouldn't have been Hodgson

And how many times did those teams he managed qualify for European competitions and go on to beat the likes of Celtic and Real Madrid?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

And how many times did those teams he managed qualify for European competitions and go on to beat the likes of Celtic and Real Madrid?

I don't know but I also don't know what trophy they get for that ? But beating Celtic or Madrid in the odd game doesn't make him one of the worlds best managers

 

[Deleted member 1740]

OUCH!

Do you know what, I'm going to agree with you that Hodgson was the wrong appointment. I still feel he was/is a good manager but also now feel that he wasn't in the right mould for a Liverpool manager at that time.

What happened to the boot room production line you had? Appreciate with the regs nowadays they have to have coaching badges coming out of every orifice but L'pool's boot room produced some great Managers and continuity.

The French revolution from Houllier and co scrapped the "boot room" but I think it had to as football was changing.

I'm glad you've seeen sense and you're agreeing with me on Hodgson :thup:

 

[Hobbit]

I don't know but I also don't know what trophy they get for that ? But beating Celtic or Madrid in the odd game doesn't make him one of the worlds best managers

Exactly, at last!!!!

You don't know. I rest my case m'lord. The witness doesn't know...

 

[Liverbirdie]

Major lol!

Seriously, Google him.

Have a look who he's managed and what they achieved whilst he was in charge. What position was Inter in when he took over, and what did he achieve with them? What position was Blackburn in and where did they finish? What did he achieve at Fulham? Copenhagen and Udinese? What did he achieve with Switzerland? And the best record with England since Venables??

Granted, he's as dour and as exciting to listen to as a wet dish cloth, but no track record?!? Seriously?? His record was way better than Fergie's when he arrived from Aberdeen.

Read his CV. Liverpool aquired one of the best managers in the world, and blew it big time - all because he didn't fit the supposed Liverpool mould. King Kenny, who didn't get the job when he was everyone's favourite apart from the board's, was touted for the job as Hodgson was arriving at the club. And neither the Liverpool Echo nor the fans, nor some of those in the background at the club never gave Hodgson a fair crack.

No track record? You're having a laugh!

Sorry Bri, but "one of the world's best managers" - your having a laugh.

Outside of Inter who I think had gone through a lean period, the world's best managers at some point manage Real, Barca, Bayern, AC or even a few others to sustained success, or take slightly lesser or even "unfashionable" clubs to large success. Read Clough at Derby and Forest, Revie at Leeds, Rafa at Athletico, Ferguson at Aberdeen (and United).

Very good at taking less pressured sides to a modicum of success in lesser leagues, thats it.

Check out his leaving at Blackburn again and what he'd done with a team who had won the league only a year or so before.

Roy and anyone could maybe be successful with £200 million,but with what he had he made us worse.

Granted he wasn't backed greatly by the previous yanks, but with the signings he had lined up to go with Konchesky, Poulsen etc we were going to get even worse. Huth and Carlton Cole with them two - ye gods.

You can say "give them more time" for any manager, at any club.

Again, no-one has given me any redeeming factors for his time at Liverpool. Not one.

Can you?

 

[Liverbirdie]

Hodgson was a trophy winning manager, and a title winning manager, at many clubs. He took many clubs into Europe for their first time. And he turned around many ailing clubs. His managerial record of achievement goes back 40 years to the mid 70's. He's way better than Pardew, Pullis and Bruce. What would he have done at a decent premiership club we'll never know. But what he does have from his time in Europe is a knowledge of European football.

Wiki him and see how many clubs he achieved firsts with. First time to win a cup, first time in Europe, highest league position. And then have a look at some of the firsts with England, including beating several teams for the first time in donkey's years... not bad with England when you think about the transition from the great underachieving golden team that included the like of Gerrard and Lampard. And on the best run since the Venables era.

I don't like the style of football he promotes but it gets results. Equating him with the Pardews of this world does him an injustice, he's way better.

Agree with all the above.

I think one acid test of the "attractiveness" of Roy would be if you asked Real, Barca, Bayern, Man U, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, AC and Inter fans if you would want the world class Roy Hodgson to be your next manager, I doubt more than 1% would want him.

However, ask Watford, Norwich, Leicester, Birmingham, and Derby fans you would probably get a 50-70% vote, if they were in a bind at the time (not necessarily currently).:thup:

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Sorry Bri, but "one of the world's best managers" - your having a laugh.

Outside of Inter who I think had gone through a lean period, the world's best managers at some point manage Real, Barca, Bayern, AC or even a few others to sustained success, or take slightly lesser or even "unfashionable" clubs to large success. Read Clough at Derby and Forest, Revie at Leeds, Rafa at Athletico, Ferguson at Aberdeen (and United).

Very good at taking less pressured sides to a modicum of success in lesser leagues, thats it.

Check out his leaving at Blackburn again and what he'd done with a team who had won the league only a year or so before.

Roy and anyone could maybe be successful with £200 million,but with what he had he made us worse.

Granted he wasn't backed greatly by the previous yanks, but with the signings he had lined up to go with Konchesky, Poulsen etc we were going to get even worse. Huth and Carlton Cole with them two - ye gods.

You can say "give them more time" for any manager, at any club.

Again, no-one has given me any redeeming factors for his time at Liverpool. Not one.

Can you?

How come you's never mention mierelles or Suarez who signed 3 weeks after you sacked him and Liverpool admitted Hodgson writing the report after scouting him, with others,
If he'd of got the rest of the season with them signings, who knows?

 

[Deleted member 15344]

How come you's never mention mierelles or Suarez who signed 3 weeks after you sacked him and Liverpool admitted Hodgson writing the report after scouting him, with others,
If he'd of got the rest of the season with them signings, who knows?

Suarez was scouted way before Hodgson arrived - Rafa was looking at him to partner him alongside Torres. Suarez arriving at the club hah nothing to do with Hodgson. Merieles
Was played out of position by Hodgson and when Kenny took over Merieles went on a great run of form

 

[Hobbit]

Agree with all the above.

I think one acid test of the "attractiveness" of Roy would be if you asked Real, Barca, Bayern, Man U, Chelsea, City, Arsenal, AC and Inter fans if you would want the world class Roy Hodgson to be your next manager, I doubt more than 1% would want him.

However, ask Watford, Norwich, Leicester, Birmingham, and Derby fans you would probably get a 50-70% vote, if they were in a bind at the time (not necessarily currently).:thup:

TBH Pete, I wouldn't want him at the Boro. Defensively, he's well organised but his style is very similar to Jack Charlton's Boro side of the mid/late 70's. Too many boring draws and 1-0 wins. A lot of long ball punts to turn defenders. I'd rather finish on the same points with spectacular 4 nils with the odd loss.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Suarez was scouted way before Hodgson arrived - Rafa was looking at him to partner him alongside Torres. Suarez arriving at the club hah nothing to do with Hodgson. Merieles
Was played out of position by Hodgson and when Kenny took over Merieles went on a great run of form

Again the consistent message that he did everything wrong and no credit for anything, the idea that he could of done anything anywhere near decent is simply a no goer to you's
It's documented him and Daglish saw Suarez together and the report he wrote on Suarez was used by comoli to convince the new owners to buy him,
No mention of mierelles till i did, all we got was konchesky, then no credit for hodgson buying him as he played him out of position......

 

[Deleted member 1740]

TBH Pete, I wouldn't want him at the Boro. Defensively, he's well organised but his style is very similar to Jack Charlton's Boro side of the mid/late 70's. Too many boring draws and 1-0 wins. A lot of long ball punts to turn defenders. I'd rather finish on the same points with spectacular 4 nils with the odd loss.

You've been saying he's an excellent manager for the last 24hrs :rofl: now you're saying he's not good enough for boro

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Again the consistent message that he did everything wrong and no credit for anything, the idea that he could of done anything anywhere near decent is simply a no goer to you's
It's documented him and Daglish saw Suarez together and the report he wrote on Suarez was used by comoli to convince the new owners to buy him,
No mention of mierelles till i did, all we got was konchesky, then no credit for hodgson buying him as he played him out of position......

Suarez had been scouted for ages way before Hodgson arrived , Rafa wanted him but there were concerns in regards discipline . The same scouts were gave the same dossier when Comolli arrived but Comolli already had his eye on Suarez because of his ban wasn't being touched by others clubs. No idea where it's documented in regards Hodgson compiling some report but that won't be what the scouting team will tell you - it was all done previously and Comolli knew about him - nothing to do with Hodgson

He doesn't get credit for anything because he didn't do anything positive for the club. Even Merieles wasn't exactly anything to write home about. Hodgson did nothing positive for the club and was rightly sacked

 

[Hobbit]

You've been saying he's an excellent manager for the last 24hrs :rofl: now you're saying he's not good enough for boro

Brilliant isn't it. I've even got Phil admitting he doesn't know, post #89. Too easy sometimes...:clap: