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Rigby killer sues....

I think under certain circumstances some people should be outlawed they should loose the protection a fair and just society gives them, terrorism sold be one of those circumstances.
 
freddielong said:
I think under certain circumstances some people should be outlawed they should loose the protection a fair and just society gives them, terrorism sold be one of those circumstances.
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So basically drop the level of them ?

What stands democracy out is the right people have to a fair trial whether quilty or not - that's the fabric of the society we live in , you can't pick and chose who gets a fair trial or not. Then we become no worse than others
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So basically drop the level of them ?

What stands democracy out is the right people have to a fair trial whether quilty or not - that's the fabric of the society we live in , you can't pick and chose who gets a fair trial or not. Then we become no worse than others
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That sounds like something you may have been told at primary school.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I Would have thought someone in the military would know the difference between conflict and someone being arrested for a crime

Any ISIS members arrested will go on trial and have a fair trial.
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Quite the opposite, you're off on a tangent, they've had their fair trial, this is a civil case, sueing for compensation for missing teeth.
The terrorists who are plotting to attack Europe in the name of isis claim it's part of the conflict, so conflict in Syria/Iraq bomb, conflict in Europe give them a fair trial.
Sorry certainly individuals, in my opinion, have through their own choices lost the right to a fair trial.
 
pauldj42 said:
Quite the opposite, you're off on a tangent, they've had their fair trial, this is a civil case, sueing for compensation for missing teeth.
The terrorists who are plotting to attack Europe in the name of isis claim it's part of the conflict, so conflict in Syria/Iraq bomb, conflict in Europe give them a fair trial.
Sorry certainly individuals, in my opinion, have through their own choices lost the right to a fair trial.
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Why am I off on a tangent ?!

Someone said that some people shouldn't have a fair trial

So who decides who gets a fair trial or not - on what evidence ? Do we then become a dictatorship when we ignore our own laws and rules based on what people have done and give certain people the ability to ignore those laws ?

No we as a democratic civilised society don't drop to others levels and continue to obey our own laws and rules - when people are charged , the evidence is gained and given and our courts then make the desicion - once again within the laws.

The day we ignore our own laws is the day we become no better than others.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Why am I off on a tangent ?!

Someone said that some people shouldn't have a fair trial

So who decides who gets a fair trial or not - on what evidence ? Do we then become a dictatorship when we ignore our own laws and rules based on what people have done and give certain people the ability to ignore those laws ?

No we as a democratic civilised society don't drop to others levels and continue to obey our own laws and rules - when people are charged , the evidence is gained and given and our courts then make the desicion - once again within the laws.

The day we ignore our own laws is the day we become no better than others.
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We'll agree to disagree, as I believe terrorists who have no regard for our laws or society, should not in anyway be given a day in court to try and explain why they do what they do and be protected by the very democracy they are trying to destroy.
 
These scum lost any rights when they took Lee Rigbys life.

To say it makes us no better than others is pathetic.
They chose to take his life that day & now deserve everything they get & more IMO.
 
pauldj42 said:
We'll agree to disagree, as I believe terrorists who have no regard for our laws or society, should not in anyway be given a day in court to try and explain why they do what they do and be protected by the very democracy they are trying to destroy.
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So people punished without any sort of court case ?! - so who decides the punishment and if they are guilty or not ?

Doesn't seem like a democratic civilised society and certainly not what the UK has been like for hundreds of years.
 
Hang on guys, am i missing something? This isn't a debate about their original trial (at which they deserve fair representation), this is about a civil suit after that....
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Hang on guys, am i missing something? This isn't a debate about their original trial (at which they deserve fair representation), this is about a civil suit after that....
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I just responded to a comment that someone made where is was said that the don't deserve a fair trial and it sort of expanded from that.

As for this specific civil case - no doubt all the evidence will be collated and a decision made just like in every other civil case. I would be surprised if it was awarded in their favour as they already had complaints through the prison service which involved an investigation and some guards suspended whilst it went on.

Civil/crime etc all should be treated in the same way - a desicion made on all the factual evidence.
 
CheltenhamHacker said:
Hang on guys, am i missing something? This isn't a debate about their original trial (at which they deserve fair representation), this is about a civil suit after that....
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Correct, tried to make that point initially.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
I just responded to a comment that someone made where is was said that the don't deserve a fair trial and it sort of expanded from that.

As for this specific civil case - no doubt all the evidence will be collated and a decision made just like in every other civil case. I would be surprised if it was awarded in their favour as they already had complaints through the prison service which involved an investigation and some guards suspended whilst it went on.

Civil/crime etc all should be treated in the same way - a desicion made on all the factual evidence.
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Wrong, been investigated and no offence committed, he then can, which he's done to bring a civil lawsuit for damages and burden of proof is different. He's after money basically, no individual woukd get done as criminal case is closed, he's going after the prison/government.
We the tax payers are funding it, but it's his right and something by your arguments it looks like you support his right!
 
pauldj42 said:
Wrong, been investigated and no offence committed, he then can, which he's done to bring a civil lawsuit for damages and burden of proof is different. He's after money basically, no individual woukd get done as criminal case is closed, he's going after the prison/government.
We the tax payers are funding it, but it's his right and something by your arguments it looks like you support his right!
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Which bit exactly is wrong ?!
 
Liverpoolphil said:
So people punished without any sort of court case ?! - so who decides the punishment and if they are guilty or not ?

Doesn't seem like a democratic civilised society and certainly not what the UK has been like for hundreds of years.
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Seriously Phil, these targets we are bombing in Syria/Iraq, what if there are civilian workers forced to work in these oilfields by isis as those workers probably have the skills, because it's a conflict you are happy we kill these innocent people, whose protecting their rights or do we dismiss their deaths by saying in the long run, we could save more?
 
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