Reducing carbon emissions

[Foxholer]

My car has a sim

U can turn heating on remotely

Now that sim connects it to the servers , which tell vauxhall it's milage etc

Would be so simple to share this data with the gov

Now people have said smart metres by charge you use for car etc .. nah sod that the capability is there already they just need to turn it on

There's (quite rightly imo) a whole world of privacy/accuracy issues that would have to be resolved first!

 

[cliveb]

They can’t even get the tech right for Smart Motorways.
So just can’t see this pay per mile working unless it’s toll booths like in the USA.

About 20 years ago that I was involved in the early IT analysis phase of a road usage charging scheme that the government wanted to bring in for HGVs. A GPS device in the cab would record where and when the lorry was, and calculate a charge based on distance, location and time of day. The motivation at the time was that lots of foreign lorrys were on our roads without paying a penny in road fund licence (and also often not even filling up with diesel in this country thus not paying any tax at all for using our roads). In the end it was shelved for political reasons. This system was going to be technically quite challenging but basically feasible even back then, so deploying a similar system to all vehicles on the road should be pretty straightforward these days, 20 years on.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

My car has a sim

U can turn heating on remotely

Now that sim connects it to the servers , which tell vauxhall it's milage etc

Would be so simple to share this data with the gov

Now people have said smart metres by charge you use for car etc .. nah sod that the capability is there already they just need to turn it on

Lots of issues in regards data sharing - certainly data of where you have been etc

 

[Deleted member 21784]

About 20 years ago that I was involved in the early IT analysis phase of a road usage charging scheme that the government wanted to bring in for HGVs. A GPS device in the cab would record where and when the lorry was, and calculate a charge based on distance, location and time of day. The motivation at the time was that lots of foreign lorrys were on our roads without paying a penny in road fund licence (and also often not even filling up with diesel in this country thus not paying any tax at all for using our roads). In the end it was shelved for political reasons. This system was going to be technically quite challenging but basically feasible even back then, so deploying a similar system to all vehicles on the road should be pretty straightforward these days, 20 years on.

That's a real interesting read and as you say now days almost every car has the tech almost there doesn't it? Or easier to retrofit

There's (quite rightly imo) a whole world of privacy/accuracy issues that would have to be resolved first!

Works with insurance black boxes and they grass you up

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Lots of issues in regards data sharing - certainly data of where you have been etc

Insurance black boxes

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Insurance black boxes

Which is a personal choice of the person sending the data

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Which is a personal choice of the person sending the data

Is it? My brother in law after his claim for theft of his car could Only get a policy if he had one

 

[Lord Tyrion]

There's (quite rightly imo) a whole world of privacy/accuracy issues that would have to be resolved first!

Massive big brother situation. Public and politicians would need a huge amount of convincing to get that through. I'd join the protest march against it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Lots of issues in regards data sharing - certainly data of where you have been etc

They wouldn't need to share data of where the vehicle has been. Simply share the total number of miles that the vehicle has done in the year. Could even become a requirement of the MOT for the garage to record and submit the vehicle mileage if it wasn't possible to do it automatically. Then stick tolls on all motorways and dual carriageways as this will also mean that foreign vehicles using the roads will have to pay and Robert's your mother's brother.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Massive big brother situation. Public and politicians would need a huge amount of convincing to get that through. I'd join the protest march against it.

Without going down that path of chat . We are out the EU now . Nothing to stop them doing whatever the hell they want as the past year has proven (not covid)..

 

[Deleted member 21784]

They wouldn't need to share data of where the vehicle has been. Simply share the total number of miles that the vehicle has done in the year. Could even become a requirement of the MOT for the garage to record and submit the vehicle mileage if it wasn't possible to do it automatically. Then stick tolls on all motorways and dual carriageways as this will also mean that foreign vehicles using the roads will have to pay and Robert's your mother's brother.

Mots record the milage anyways don't they? I'm sure they do if I look up mine I see all the miles

Anyways quick change of law.. yearly MOT even for new cars

Problem solved

 

[bobmac]

They can’t even get the tech right for Smart Motorways.
So just can’t see this pay per mile working unless it’s toll booths like in the USA.

You put your car in for a service/mot, the mechanic works out your bill, you pay and you drive away. If you don't pay, you don't drive away

 

[Deleted member 21784]

You put your car in for a service/mot, the mechanic works out your bill, you pay and you drive away. If you don't pay, you don't drive away

Will prob go on your tax return like child benefit payback lol you can pay it all now or out of your monthly pay over the year

 

[cliveb]

This thread seems to have morphed in to one about the pros and cons of EVs.

Getting back to the original discussion of reducing carbon emissions generally, I came across an interesting piece about a potentially game changing development for photovoltaics:

That YouTube channel has quite a lot of interesting stuff. I don't know what if any agenda the guy has, but it seems generally fairly well presented.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Without going down that path of chat . We are out the EU now . Nothing to stop them doing whatever the hell they want as the past year has proven (not covid)..

Nothing to do with the EU, everything to do with civil liberties, privacy etc if people are constantly being tracked. No issue if people are charged per mile but how that is done needs careful thought.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Nothing to do with the EU, everything to do with civil liberties, privacy etc if people are constantly being tracked. No issue if people are charged per mile but how that is done needs careful thought.

"For now, the UK is still committed to adhering to its current commitments to Human Rights treaties and conventions internationally, including to the ECHR. The trade agreement, however, lacks specificity on this commitment, and there is no guarantee this will continue in the future"

So basically anything can change and much easier now

However I think it will be done pretty easy without the need for privacy

 

[Jimaroid]

The tech exists. It’s called Uber.

 

[clubchamp98]

Lots of issues in regards data sharing - certainly data of where you have been etc

Yes could blow a good alibi.

 

[Foxholer]

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However I think it will be done pretty easy without the need for privacy

There's an overwhelming 'need for privacy' that'll be a huge 'block' to the sort of automated access to vehicle info you were suggesting!
And FWIW, it has very little to do with EU considerations - though 'foreign vehicles' would certainly need to be considered!

 

[Foxholer]

...Works with insurance black boxes and they grass you up

Vastly different situation!