Red Lined Penalty Areas.

[oltimer]

- you hit the ball into water (lost) take pen relief at point of last entry, am assuming you have to drop the ball outside the pen area ? in other words within 2 club lengths outside, or could you drop it on the red line and play it from there or would that be dropping it in the same pen area?

 

[rulie]

Your drop must strike the ground outside the penalty area and the ball must remain outside the penalty area. The red line is part of the penalty area. If you drop the ball and play it from within the penalty area, you have played from a wrong place and incur the general penalty.

 

[jim8flog]

Always worth remembering that you may still stand in the penalty area after taking relief.

 

[rulefan]

From the Definition of Penalty Area.

Lines: When defined by a painted line on the ground, the edge of the penalty area is the outside edge of the line, and the line itself is in the penalty area.

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/h...ruletype=fr&section=definitions&subrulenum=51

PS. 'outside edge' means away from the PA.

 

[Slime]

- you hit the ball into water (lost) take pen relief at point of last entry, am assuming you have to drop the ball outside the pen area ? in other words within 2 club lengths outside, or could you drop it on the red line and play it from there or would that be dropping it in the same pen area?

I'm assuming you're referring to Werenski last night who clearly appeared to play his dropped ball from on the red line.

 

[Swango1980]

I'm assuming you're referring to Werenski last night who clearly appeared to play his dropped ball from on the red line.

That's what I thought when I read this post, where the chap clearly dropped his ball twice on the red line. It seemed he was doing this, knowing it would roll back into penalty area, then he could place it. Did the officials ever react to this, as the Sky Team were quick to question it?

 

[Italian outcast]

OK so question...
If the red line is inside, surely dropping on the line doesn't count as a proper drop?
Doesn't the ball need to land in a correct area? Eg not in a penalty area, on his shoe etc?

He was dropping it on the slope about a foot outside the red line - knowing it would roll into the penalty area

Then after 2 tries he placed it - seemingly on the line

It was quite deliberate - he had pointed out to his caddy where he wanted to play from before the first drop
Don't think it helped him much

 

[Swango1980]

He was dropping it on the slope about a foot outside the red line - knowing it would roll into the penalty area

Then after 2 tries he placed it - seemingly on the line

It was quite deliberate - he had pointed out to his caddy where he wanted to play from before the first drop
Don't think it helped him much

The TV pictures seemed to show him actually drop it on the line twice, before placing it. I only saw it once, but Andrew Coltart did start talking about it for the next few minutes as to why he was doing it.

 

[Slime]

That's what I thought when I read this post, where the chap clearly dropped his ball twice on the red line. It seemed he was doing this, knowing it would roll back into penalty area, then he could place it. Did the officials ever react to this, as the Sky Team were quick to question it?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[oltimer]

I'm assuming you're referring to Werenski last night who clearly appeared to play his dropped ball from on the red line.

Yes - he made a point of pointing to the line before twice dropping it on the line and both time picking it up, next time he was seen and he was playing from off the line leaving a divot hole clearly showing where he had played from presumably having placed it there. can`t believe nobody picked up on this.

 

[oltimer]

He was dropping it on the slope about a foot outside the red line - knowing it would roll into the penalty area

Then after 2 tries he placed it - seemingly on the line

It was quite deliberate - he had pointed out to his caddy where he wanted to play from before the first drop
Don't think it helped him much

He actually dropped it ON the line twice not outside it.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

Yes - he made a point of pointing to the line before twice dropping it on the line and both time picking it up, next time he was seen and he was playing from off the line leaving a divot hole clearly showing where he had played from presumably having placed it there. can`t believe nobody picked up on this.

It's been chatted about on the 2020 Professional Golf Thread. On TV the Sky commentators certainly noticed it, the US ones did not.

 

[Slab]

Always worth remembering that you may still stand in the penalty area after taking relief.

happy coincidence you posted this info recently because I watched a player do this over the weekend and I did wonder