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[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Depends what you class as vile. In the proper context of the word then of course it is not vile. But it seems a very hateful, spiteful misogynist and indeed hypocritical piece of work that to me seems to oppose anything or anybody that does not conform to its view of the world. But like me really

Indeed - thankyou HK

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

If I had a pound for every time a Tory politician said 'hard working families' in the last 6 months I would not need to worry about paying my heating bill.

I really object to that 'expression'.

I am retired and still pay a fair bit of tax whilst many 'hard working families in the 'burbs' are being paid a small fortune in housing benefit.

Me too - why not just working - why the 'hard'.

Whose business is it whether I work 'hard' or not if I get the job I am paid to do done - on time, to or under budget and to the required standard. I might sit on my arse half the day doing sod all - but if a do a good job my employer doesn't care whether I'm hard working or not. Should I feel discriminated against if I am not one of these sloggers beloved of the political parties?

It's just a phrase used to create an ever greater perception of difference between those in work and those not. And it's disingenuous, divisive and destructive.

 

[bluewolf]

Depends what you class as vile. In the proper context of the word then of course it is not vile. But it seems a very hateful, spiteful misogynist and indeed hypocritical piece of work that to me seems to oppose anything or anybody that does not conform to its view of the world. But like me really

What I was attempting to say (badly) is that the Newspaper itself is not vile. It has some excellent "hard working" journalists there. However, the Editorial direction the owners (DMGT) and the current Editor in Charge (Dacre) have adopted IS vile. I agree with every descriptive term you've used.

It does however have a very large loyal readership. The vast majority of whom are not any of the terms you have used. My Father in Law is a subscriber. He is the exact opposite of your description of the Paper. He is intelligent enough to realize the Right Wing Bias and ignore it. The majority of the content is good enough to retain a loyal "readership" of over 4 million (not checked this quarters ABC figures yet but I have them in my office so will check them later.

Anyhoo, this is neither here nor there.

 

[Ethan]

What I was attempting to say (badly) is that the Newspaper itself is not vile. It has some excellent "hard working" journalists there. However, the Editorial direction the owners (DMGT) and the current Editor in Charge (Dacre) have adopted IS vile. I agree with every descriptive term you've used.

It does however have a very large loyal readership. The vast majority of whom are not any of the terms you have used. My Father in Law is a subscriber. He is the exact opposite of your description of the Paper. He is intelligent enough to realize the Right Wing Bias and ignore it. The majority of the content is good enough to retain a loyal "readership" of over 4 million (not checked this quarters ABC figures yet but I have them in my office so will check them later.

Anyhoo, this is neither here nor there.

What, like Melanie Phillips, Richard Littlejohn, Ann Leslie and Jan Moir, for example?

Odious bigots each and all.

Your FIL may be intelligent enough to see there is a RWB at the Wail, but he still contributes to the coffers and financially supports the rag.

 

[bluewolf]

What, like Melanie Phillips, Richard Littlejohn, Ann Leslie and Jan Moir, for example?

Odious bigots each and all.

Your FIL may be intelligent enough to see there is a RWB at the Wail, but he still contributes to the coffers and financially supports the rag.

Which is why I stated "some" and not "all". The devil is in the detail...

And his contribution is one of over 1.8 million contributions per day. His choice, and his right to make that choice. You have the right to choose another paper..

 

[bluewolf]

Having just had a quick look at the ABC's, it;s disappointing to see that Britains 2 biggest selling papers have a Right Wing bias. The Mirror comes in third but quite far behind The Mail in 2nd place. The Guardian is really struggling now and would be gone if it wasn't backed by a Trust. Quite what that says about the Newspaper reading British Public is beyond me though..

 

[SocketRocket]

Having just had a quick look at the ABC's, it;s disappointing to see that Britains 2 biggest selling papers have a Right Wing bias. The Mirror comes in third but quite far behind The Mail in 2nd place. The Guardian is really struggling now and would be gone if it wasn't backed by a Trust. Quite what that says about the Newspaper reading British Public is beyond me though..

So who came first, The Sun?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

What, like Melanie Phillips, Richard Littlejohn, Ann Leslie and Jan Moir, for example?

Odious bigots each and all.

Your FIL may be intelligent enough to see there is a RWB at the Wail, but he still contributes to the coffers and financially supports the rag.

So let me get this straight.If a journalist's stance does not conform to your ideal then they are "odious bigots".

That does not seem a very rational attitude.

Whilst the views of some on your list make me more than a little uneasy to include such a respected journalist as Ann Leslie in this all embracing list is, in my view, nothing short of ludicrous and ill considered.

 

[bluewolf]

So who came first, The Sun?

Correct. 2.25 Million copies sold per day. Almost 10% down on last year. One of the bigger drops. Most are losing 5-8% per year.

Newspapers are a dying art. In my 19 years in the trade, the losses have been staggering. Won't be long before another paper dies, the readership drifts away another nail is driven into the coffin of a traditional skill.

It should be stated that the percentages quoted are month to month comparisons. The actual percentage drop over the year is over 12%

 

[SocketRocket]

Fixed that for you. Apparently all politicians seem to think this is the key to winning all our votes. Listen to Milliband and Balls' speeches at their Party Conference.
As with expenses scandal so with bland rhetoric; they are all at it.

So you have forgot how many times Gordon Brown said it!

This may refresh your memory:

http://jackthurston.com/articles/hardworking-families/

 

[Doon frae Troon]

Oh come on! Cameron uses that 'expression' about twice every paragraph.

I stopped buying newspapers when The Herald went up to £1. [5 years ago?]
On the odd occasion when I buy one, train journey etc, I pay 20p for a wee I.

 

[bluewolf]

I stopped buying newspapers when The Herald went up to £1. [5 years ago?]
On the odd occasion when I buy one, train journey etc, I pay 20p for a wee I.

On behalf of my family, and my mortgage provider, thank you very bloody much....

 

[Ethan]

So let me get this straight.If a journalist's stance does not conform to your ideal then they are "odious bigots".

That does not seem a very rational attitude.

Whilst the views of some on your list make me more than a little uneasy to include such a respected journalist as Ann Leslie in this all embracing list is, in my view, nothing short of ludicrous and ill considered.

Like a typical Mail reader, you haven't got it straight at all.

If a journalist exhibits odious bigotry, then they are an odious bigot, and all 4 on that list, including the venerable old witch herself, meet the definition.

Leslie is not universally "respected" and although she lets the veil slip less often than the rabble rousing Littlejohn, she is cut from broadly the same cloth.

I assume that you would consider a journalist who worked at The Morning Star to be a socialist until proven otherwise. Same thing (with a different flavour) applies to those who work for the far right rag with a long history of supporting the Fascists.

Miliband-pere anti-British? Irony, thy name is Dacre.

 

[bluewolf]

I assume that you would consider a journalist who worked at The Morning Star to be a socialist until proven otherwise. Same thing (with a different flavour) applies to those who work for the far right rag with a long history of supporting the Fascists.

I think you'll find that the vast majority of journalists will work for whoever will pay their wages. Only a very small minority are fortunate enough to be able to pick and choose..

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Like a typical Mail reader, you haven't got it straight at all.

If a journalist exhibits odious bigotry, then they are an odious bigot, and all 4 on that list, including the venerable old witch herself, meet the definition.

Leslie is not universally "respected" and although she lets the veil slip less often than the rabble rousing Littlejohn, she is cut from broadly the same cloth.

I assume that you would consider a journalist who worked at The Morning Star to be a socialist until proven otherwise. Same thing (with a different flavour) applies to those who work for the far right rag with a long history of supporting the Fascists.

Miliband-pere anti-British? Irony, thy name is Dacre.

Pomposity thy name is Ethan, or have I not got that straight either. If I have jumped to a wrong conclusion I am clearly not alone.

Firstly I am not and never have been a Mail reader.
Secondly I would not (unlike yourself) leap to conclusions over the ideological beliefs of a journalist based upon those of their employer.
Thirdly I did not suggest that Ms Leslie was "universally" respected as it would be unlikely for this to be the case for any journo.

I am afraid that you are in danger of letting your own preconceived prejudices colour your judgement.

 

[SocketRocket]

If I had a pound for every time a Tory politician said 'hard working families' in the last 6 months I would not need to worry about paying my heating bill.

I really object to that 'expression'.

I am retired and still pay a fair bit of tax whilst many 'hard working families in the 'burbs' are being paid a small fortune in housing benefit.

So you have forgot how many times Gordon Brown said it!

This may refresh your memory:

http://jackthurston.com/articles/hardworking-families/

Sorry mickey, I meant to quote the above.

 

[SwingsitlikeHogan]

Oh come on! Cameron uses that 'expression' about twice every paragraph.

I stopped buying newspapers when The Herald went up to £1. [5 years ago?]
On the odd occasion when I buy one, train journey etc, I pay 20p for a wee I.

I used to read The Herald on-line every day but they went to a subscription model and now they have put a limit on the number of articles I can read over a period - and it's not many. So I have to decide whether or not I want to keep informed about Scottish matters especially the referendum over the next year. I may not be able to vote in the referendum - but I have read The Herald since my student days and I like it - and would still like to be able to make informed comment on the debate. Of course I do watch BBC Scotland news every evening. We all love Jackie Bird - don't we?

 

[Sweep]

I used to read The Herald on-line every day but they went to a subscription model and now they have put a limit on the number of articles I can read over a period - and it's not many. So I have to decide whether or not I want to keep informed about Scottish matters especially the referendum over the next year. I may not be able to vote in the referendum - but I have read The Herald since my student days and I like it - and would still like to be able to make informed comment on the debate. Of course I do watch BBC Scotland news every evening. We all love Jackie Bird - don't we?

Why not read the Scottish Daily Mail?

 

[harpo_72]

Is privatising everything a good economic policy ...?

 

[Deleted member 18588]

Is privatising everything a good economic policy ...?

One thing is for sure nationalising industries such as coal, steel and shipbuilding wasn't a good economic policy.