Rapist taxi driver paroled

[Hobbit]

According to bbc news, another 19 women came forward after he was convicted.

surely the obvious thing is to charge him with those offences, new trial, and bang him up for the rest of his days?

83 separate complaints prior to his trial, and 19 afterwards. The CPS decides on only 1 rape charge. Why?

The trial judge, in recognising the (disappointing) lack of charges, decides to give a sentence which would allow an intelligent parole board to keep the guy in prison for life. The indeterminate term allows a minimum of 8 years but has no maximum.

The parole board have bottled it. They’ve ignored the trial judge’s guidance, and intelligence, in deciding to go for the minimum.

The CPS could, easily, have made sentencing very easy for the trial judge by pursuing a minimum of 3 rape charges. 3 convictions for rape would have given the opportunity for a minimum of 24 years. 1 more successful rape charge on top of those would have seen the guy in there till at least 84 years of age.

 

[larmen]

The parole board have bottled it. They’ve ignored the trial judge’s guidance, and intelligence, in deciding to go for the minimum.

The guy from the parole board was on the news yesterday an all he was allowed to say is that they had followed the rules but by law he was not allowed to justify it in public. HE would like to, but and he doesn't agree with the law at all.

No-one of us knows what is happened there, so it's really hard to judge.

 

[Fish]

The guy from the parole board was on the news yesterday an all he was allowed to say is that they had followed the rules but by law he was not allowed to justify it in public. HE would like to, but and he doesn't agree with the law at all.

No-one of us knows what is happened there, so it's really hard to judge.

They gets reports from his personally assigned officer (PO) and also the SO of the wing he’s on. They’ll also have reports from all the courses he’s had to attend and those he’s volunteered to attend. They will be informed if he’s accepted his crimes and displayed any remorse.

The problem with the ‘system’ is they’ll state he’s now a model prisoner and is not displaying any reasons to be seen as a risk!

The issue with this is, is that there are no distractions or temptations, he’s on a sectioned wing with similar offenders and if he’s not displaying any warped views and is jumping through the hoops, then he’ll pass the parole board easily as it’s to a certain extent a tick box scenario and they’ll have nothing to override the decision to keep him in once he has served the minimum tariff given, which was 8 years and with remand he’s served close on 10 I think now.

The system is flawed because we’ve seen too many released only for them to reoffend due to the temptations suddenly afforded to them, physiological tests won’t always uncover what’s going on in these minds as they are sociopaths and in the environment there in with no distractions they can adapt and beat the system, but as soon as they are released, we end up with another unnecessary victim which could have been avoided if the police and CPS had done there jobs properly in the first place to ensure he was correctly sentenced with no opportunity of parole.

I’m not sure if he was slowly down graded and ended up in a cat4 open, if he wasn’t then that’s even worse as that would or could have shown how he might be once enjoying a little more freedom, if he’s always been sectioned and now looking to be released he’s a potential time bomb!!

 

[Tashyboy]

I am very surprised by the tone of most people here. He broke the law, and was convicted for it, is suspected he did much more also. He was sentenced for those crimes and under our laws is due to be released.

We as society should not be hoping bad comes to him, but that the penalty for the crimes, and treatment while behind bars was sufficient that he can be a useful safe member of society. If we believe the is no case for this then the problem is not with the guy but with the law

He is scum, he went out with the Intentions to rape women. End of. He went out with the intentions of being " Bad " to women. He is allegedly the worst serial sex offender this country has known and served 8 years. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to people who say we need to know the root cause of why people do things like this, why people feel the need to carry knives. Why people murder. I am sick to the teeth of the people that defend his human rights when he deliberately went out to abuse hundreds of victims human rights and there family's and friends that were affected by this. He should never of seen the light of day again.
what wrong kind of message has it sent out to other sex offenders.

 

[Simbo]

The problem is that the Police only suspect that he's involved in the 100 other incidents.
Of the ones he was convicted of, only 1 was Rape, the others were sexual assaults..
The term served is par for the course(ish) for the crimes convicted.
The Parole board must have information about him that leads them to believe he is no longer a threat.
We don't have that information and we probably won't have it either...
The public outcry, whilst understandable, is based on little actual knowledge of the case, the facts and the condition of the mind of the guy.
If the Police can't link him conclusively tongue other incidents and the Parole board are satisfied, I'm not sure what else can be done legally.
Plenty that can be done illegally but that course leads to Anarchy.

Sadly this is the case and the law in this country. The CPS have said they have no plans to charge him again unless new evidence comes to light that requires a full met investigation.suspecting someone is totally different from convicting them of it. In the eyes of the law it doesn't matter what someone's done it's what you can prove someone's done.
The sentence he got was a joke should have been given a definite sentence instead of that indefinite sentencing that was brought in to stop dangerous people who had already been convicted being released from prison. What's the max sentence for a serious sexual attack?
How can someone prove they aren't a danger to the public when they aren't even in the public!!

 

[Lazkir]

He is scum, he went out with the Intentions to rape women. End of. He went out with the intentions of being " Bad " to women. He is allegedly the worst serial sex offender this country has known and served 8 years. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to people who say we need to know the root cause of why people do things like this, why people feel the need to carry knives. Why people murder. I am sick to the teeth of the people that defend his human rights when he deliberately went out to abuse hundreds of victims human rights and there family's and friends that were affected by this. He should never of seen the light of day again.
what wrong kind of message has it sent out to other sex offenders.

Absolutely!
Agree 100%.

 

[Slime]

He is scum, he went out with the Intentions to rape women. End of. He went out with the intentions of being " Bad " to women. He is allegedly the worst serial sex offender this country has known and served 8 years. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to people who say we need to know the root cause of why people do things like this, why people feel the need to carry knives. Why people murder. I am sick to the teeth of the people that defend his human rights when he deliberately went out to abuse hundreds of victims human rights and there family's and friends that were affected by this. He should never of seen the light of day again.
what wrong kind of message has it sent out to other sex offenders.

I believe they do this because they're just wired badly from birth and I don't believe that they can be cured. Whatever the reason, they know it is wrong ..................... but they still do it, and in this case on a continual basis.
That is why I believe he should be prevented from EVER being in the position where he can repeat offend.
Many would advocate having him locked up until he finally dies, I advocate the death penalty.
He has forfeited his human rights by doing what he did.

 

[TreeSeeker]

He is scum, he went out with the Intentions to rape women. End of. He went out with the intentions of being " Bad " to women. He is allegedly the worst serial sex offender this country has known and served 8 years. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to people who say we need to know the root cause of why people do things like this, why people feel the need to carry knives. Why people murder. I am sick to the teeth of the people that defend his human rights when he deliberately went out to abuse hundreds of victims human rights and there family's and friends that were affected by this. He should never of seen the light of day again.
what wrong kind of message has it sent out to other sex offenders.

I think you perhaps missed the point of my post.

IF the answer is that this guy should never have been released then the law is wrong, not this guy. We don't have the facts to know what, in full, happened and what can be proved.

Think of it this way, there are a few thousand rape convictions each year, if you take it that a small percentage of those are similar to how it is reported that this guy was (i.e. went out purposefully to do it etc) then you've got a not insignificant number. So if you/people feel strongly that someone similar to that being released after 8-10 years is wrong then the problem isn't the person, its the law being inadequate. So I will always stand up and say that someone who is being released from jail should be able to be a useful member of society. If that makes you angry so be it, but be angry at the law and put pressure to change that, don't be angry at individuals.

 

[Pin-seeker]

He is scum, he went out with the Intentions to rape women. End of. He went out with the intentions of being " Bad " to women. He is allegedly the worst serial sex offender this country has known and served 8 years. I am sick to the back teeth of listening to people who say we need to know the root cause of why people do things like this, why people feel the need to carry knives. Why people murder. I am sick to the teeth of the people that defend his human rights when he deliberately went out to abuse hundreds of victims human rights and there family's and friends that were affected by this. He should never of seen the light of day again.
what wrong kind of message has it sent out to other sex offenders.

Tashyboy for Prime minister.

Too many do gooders mate,that’s the problem.

 

[Lazkir]

I think you perhaps missed the point of my post.

IF the answer is that this guy should never have been released then the law is wrong, not this guy. We don't have the facts to know what, in full, happened and what can be proved.

Think of it this way, there are a few thousand rape convictions each year, if you take it that a small percentage of those are similar to how it is reported that this guy was (i.e. went out purposefully to do it etc) then you've got a not insignificant number. So if you/people feel strongly that someone similar to that being released after 8-10 years is wrong then the problem isn't the person, its the law being inadequate. So I will always stand up and say that someone who is being released from jail should be able to be a useful member of society. If that makes you angry so be it, but be angry at the law and put pressure to change that, don't be angry at individuals.

Bib, as opposed to what? Accidentally drugging someone and raping them?
I'm sorry but I don't understand your mindset.

Edited to add; As for the sentence, the Judge gave a minimum of 8 years thinking that any right minded parole board wouldn't let this monster go free... But you just can't account for the weak minded idiots who let him out.

 

[chrisd]

I think you perhaps missed the point of my post.

IF the answer is that this guy should never have been released then the law is wrong, not this guy. We don't have the facts to know what, in full, happened and what can be proved.

Think of it this way, there are a few thousand rape convictions each year, if you take it that a small percentage of those are similar to how it is reported that this guy was (i.e. went out purposefully to do it etc) then you've got a not insignificant number. So if you/people feel strongly that someone similar to that being released after 8-10 years is wrong then the problem isn't the person, its the law being inadequate. So I will always stand up and say that someone who is being released from jail should be able to be a useful member of society. If that makes you angry so be it, but be angry at the law and put pressure to change that, don't be angry at individuals.

I think the sad thing is that you don't see what a load of tosh you've witten and how wrong you are

 

[Slime]

I think you perhaps missed the point of my post.

IF the answer is that this guy should never have been released then the law is wrong, not this guy. We don't have the facts to know what, in full, happened and what can be proved.

Think of it this way, there are a few thousand rape convictions each year, if you take it that a small percentage of those are similar to how it is reported that this guy was (i.e. went out purposefully to do it etc) then you've got a not insignificant number. So if you/people feel strongly that someone similar to that being released after 8-10 years is wrong then the problem isn't the person, its the law being inadequate. So I will always stand up and say that someone who is being released from jail should be able to be a useful member of society. If that makes you angry so be it, but be angry at the law and put pressure to change that, don't be angry at individuals.

Don't be angry at rapists ......................... what planet are you on?
The rapist is the problem and so are people who try to shift the blame somewhere else!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I think what the poster is saying is be angry at the system and the law for him being able to be eligible for parole after 8 years which was the sentence handed to him by the judge on the case.

Yes be angry at the rapist for his actions

The question I ask myself is if there is multiple alleged incidents why didn’t the CPS pursue it further - many people have been charged and tried again even if in jail when further complaints come about ? - was it a lack of evidence or lack of resources to carry out a further investigation. Multiple issues and people at fault for him being released early

 

[MadAdey]

First off, I think that people that commit sexual crimes really are the scum of the earth.

He was convicted of multiple counts of sexual assaults and one count of rape. You can't talk about him committing over 100 acts as he was never charged with them and definitely not found guilty of them. People think he should have been charged with all of the assaults he was accused of, but that will never happen. Sexual assaults are one of the hardest crimes to prove, especially when it isn't reported at the time so physical evidence can be taken. So the CPS went forward with the strongest cases they had. If they charged him with all of the offenses then there is the risk that insufficient evidence could have seen him acquitted of all charges, then he would be walking free with no chance of a re-trial.

He was found guilty and the judge sentenced him in accordance with sentencing guidelines. He then managed to show sufficient rehabilitation to be released. This is what happens when you live in a civilized society, the law passes sentencing, then someone goes to prison to be rehabilitated. Once that person has served his sentence he is entitled to parole if he shows sufficient remorse and that they are rehabilitated.

When it comes to sexual offenders of this nature, he will never be rehabilitated fully. Old golfing buddy back home worked as a prison officer and looked after sexual offenders, Captainron might know him. Chatting to someone like that is interesting with regards to sexual offenders and what they get taught regarding them. What he explained to me makes total sense as to why they do what they do and that they really can't be helped.

 

[bobmac]

Old golfing buddy back home worked as a prison officer and looked after sexual offenders, Captainron might know him.

That could have been phrased better

 

[User20205]

Don't be angry at rapists ......................... what planet are you on?
The rapist is the problem and so are people who try to shift the blame somewhere else!

I’m normally at the front on the yoghurt knitting queue, but if you’re convicted of multiple sex offences you don’t deserve to see the light of day again. You can’t rehabilitate those fellas

 

[MadAdey]

That could have been phrased better

Lol.......just read back what I wrote

Ok if that person still plays where Captainron is playing now he will probably know him.

 

[ADB]

I believe the multiple charges against this guy were served concurrently rather than consecutively which is why he is out in 9 years - this element of sentencing should change.

 

[MadAdey]

Don't be angry at rapists ......................... what planet are you on?
The rapist is the problem and so are people who try to shift the blame somewhere else!

I think the point he was making is that if rapists are being allowed to roam the streets then it is a problem with the sentencing and parole system. You can’t rehabilitate these sort of people, it is their sexual preference and you can’t change anybody’s sexual desires, wether they are legal or not. Well not until Clockwork Orange type of rehab is used.

 

[TreeSeeker]

I think the point he was making is that if rapists are being allowed to roam the streets then it is a problem with the sentencing and parole system. You can’t rehabilitate these sort of people, it is their sexual preference and you can’t change anybody’s sexual desires, wether they are legal or not. Well not until Clockwork Orange type of rehab is used.

Without labouring the point again, yes MadAdey this is the point i'm making. If after this clarification of my poorly worded reply then feel free to elaborate where and why you disagree with my opinion.