Rangers

[FairwayDodger]

It is the "establishment" mentality along with part of the sectarian aspect of Celtic fans/players were predominately of Irish heritage, of which I have first hand experience of being asked which school I went too when I went for several job interviews when leaving school.

Sadly it cuts both ways. I started a job years ago and new colleagues commented that I was the only protestant (actually I'm an athiest FWIW - couldn't care less about protestant/catholic nonsense) the manager there had ever employed. In an unguarded moment after I mentioned supporting Rangers he remarked "I thought you were a tim?". He wasn't joking.

 

[Bomber69]

Sadly it cuts both ways. I started a job years ago and new colleagues commented that I was the only protestant (actually I'm an athiest FWIW - couldn't care less about protestant/catholic nonsense) the manager there had ever employed. In an unguarded moment after I mentioned supporting Rangers he remarked "I thought you were a tim?". He wasn't joking.

They are the worst kind.....

 

[Dodger]

Watch this space and keep eating the spuds.

I am not of Irish origin,anything but,Church of Scotland Proddy and do like potatoes in fact had them with mince tonight thanks.:smirk:

Everything that is wrong with football in Scotland.Hopefully with one gone the second may clean up and the new club may take an opportunity to clean things up also.

Hugely doubtful tho as it's not just the OF that have sectarian problems in Scottish Football no matter what the other diddy teams tell you.

 

[Bomber69]

I am not of Irish origin,anything but,Church of Scotland Proddy and do like potatoes in fact had them with mince tonight thanks.:smirk:

Everything that is wrong with football in Scotland.Hopefully with one gone the second may clean up and the new club may take an opportunity to clean things up also.

Hugely doubtful tho as it's not just the OF that have sectarian problems in Scottish Football no matter what the other diddy teams tell you.

Oh do I detect a slight change of direction here, yes it does go further but TBH this thread is full of Tim's spouting venom.

What went on at Rangers was wrong and they deserve to be punished I agree but for F S let's leave the religion out off it.

 

[Yer Maw]

Coming from a similarly divided city, I know a lot of the language/customs/history/heritage of both sides, but I'm not familiar with "ra peepul". Is it s protestant thing, or I presume just a Rangers thing.

Sorry mate the divided city comparrison is not comparable at all. I lived in Liverpool for 6 years and kids in the same family would support one or the other, you could wear a red or blue top and not get chased down the street because some nutters thought you were an Blue or Red etc. etc. The division and hatred between Celtic and Rangers has no comparison in the UK and not something I'm proud of being Scottish. The Scouse acceptance of one another with good banter and the occasional dafty was quite good and what I'd rather have any day. They are a scourge on Scotland and I wish both the Old Firm would sod off but we're stuck with them as no-one else wants their nonsense. The whole Scottish game is screwed and they're the guilty party. The vast majority of no old firm fans think like that and want Rengers demoted to the lowest league possible and treated like all the others who go into liquidation. If it doesn't happen like that then what is already a dire situation will finally be killed off for many moons.

 

[chris661]

Seems like the Taig's are all on form tonight what's wrong have you no potatoes to eat.

Get a life the Queens Eleven will be back so enjoy for now.

There you go liverbirdie up pops one of "ra peepul" to explain it all in two easy sentances.

 

[FairwayDodger]

Anyone else thinking this is a great opportunity for Rangers newco to rid itself of everything that is/was horrible about Rangers and completely distance itself from its sectarian and bigoted past. They might just pick up a few new fans if they took a stance and said from the outset that singing sectarian songs, loyalist paraphernalia and other nonsense wouldnt be tolerated at all by the new club, not in the way that previous owners just denied it ever existed but really set out to tackle the problem.

Actually smange (while I don't entirely agree with your assessment that the previous owners did nothing on this) I've been thinking much the same and I dearly hope that "New Rangers" adopt an absolute zero tolerance approach to this. If they can eliminate sectarianism from the club altogether this whole sad affair will have been worth it.

Sadly, even if they try it (which they must, I hope) I don't believe it will succeed for a few reasons:

Firstly, and sadly, I think there's a hardcore of bigots who won't easily let it go.

Secondly a combination of things:

* so many people are too "anti-Rangers" to cut them some slack and accept they've moved on. They'll keep casting historical issues up.
* despite drawing a line under the sectarianism, the "New Rangers" will almost certainly attempt to retain a link with the "good" aspects of "Old Rangers" - the titles won etc. That will just give the "anti-Rangers" element all the ammunition they need to say nothing has changed.
* petty rivalries will just be stoked - hard to break the cycle unless all parties decide to do so at the same time.

I say - new club, fresh start, no history - good or bad, division 3 but with no more recriminations, SFA/SFL/SPL supporting them to get back on their feet instead of dreaming up more punishments. Starting to see the silver lining....

What do you say - everyone on this thread who's used the abusive term "huns" - could you cut a "New Rangers" some slack based on the vision above?

What about other Rangers fans - could you sign up to that?

Neutrals - does that sound reasonable?

 

[Bomber69]

There you go liverbirdie up pops one of "ra peepul" to explain it all in two easy sentances.

Are you a Mod ?

You seem more like a bitter FUD to me, get over yourself.

 

[chris661]

Are you a Mod ?

You seem more like a bitter FUD to me, get over yourself.

Lol, this coming from the guy that's starts with taigs and potatoes?

 

[Dodger]

Oh do I detect a slight change of direction here, yes it does go further but TBH this thread is full of Tim's spouting venom.

What went on at Rangers was wrong and they deserve to be punished I agree but for F S let's leave the religion out off it.

I'll leave it out then but I'll ask you a question I am genuinly interested in the answer.

Do the masses really actually back the cardigan even though he has been part of this whole circus.

Are the masses really so thick that they don't realise that he and his pals have been waiting for the club,that he has been banging on about 'saving' , to die a slow death before trying to gazump Green in a fire sale and buy the assets for a knock down price?

It is hilarious and ridiculous both at the same time and at this early stage ra peepul appear to have been taken in hook line and sinker because the cardigan is involved instead of realising that he has part of a cabal that has royally shafted their club.

Not sure there has been venom by the way,maybe you think hatred (on my part) of the huns is venom?If so then there we go eh?

 

[FairwayDodger]

Everything that is wrong with football in Scotland.Hopefully with one gone the second may clean up and the new club may take an opportunity to clean things up also.

Dodger, it had to happen... we agree on something OF-related!

 

[FairwayDodger]

Lol, this coming from the guy that's starts with taigs and potatoes?

Chris, I agree you're right to have a pop at this. However - "hun" is OK, "taig" isn't? Both are abusive, IMO.

Don't want this thread to degenerate - I'm trying to have a serious discussion on it!

 

[Bomber69]

It is a sad time for Scottish football that I am sure.

There will still be a lot of things to come out of what has happenend. But when I read all the religious stuff that is oozing out then it all seems sour grapes and that has nothing to do with the football so forgive me if I sound bitter.

Ranger deserve to be punished as I have said in the past so let's just see what happens and hopefully we can all move on from there.

 

[Dodger]

An answer to my question Bomber?

 

[Bomber69]

Lol, this coming from the guy that's starts with taigs and potatoes?

Chris,

I ask you again are you a Mod ?

I would expect more from a forum Mod, maybe you are a bitter Mod and need to stand back from this thread as you are not doing yourself or this forum any favors.

 

[Bomber69]

Sorry are you referring to Sir Walter :whoo:

 

[chris661]

Chris, I agree you're right to have a pop at this. However - "hun" is OK, "taig" isn't? Both are abusive, IMO.

Don't want this thread to degenerate - I'm trying to have a serious discussion on it!

IMO there is a difference between sectarianism and abusive. You are right about not wanting this thread to degenerate (maybe its too late). Maybe I am thick skinned but it doesn't really offend me, with the above quote I was getting a the bitterness (irony) part of it. There are different takes on this throughout Scotland some reports say him isn't a "bad" word as lots of differing groups use it but obviously some say that it isn't acceptable.

Out of curiosity can you tell me why the word offends you? Indont mind if to don't want too as I say just curious.

 

[FairwayDodger]

I'll leave it out then but I'll ask you a question I am genuinly interested in the answer.

Do the masses really actually back the cardigan even though he has been part of this whole circus.

Are the masses really so thick that they don't realise that he and his pals have been waiting for the club,that he has been banging on about 'saving' , to die a slow death before trying to gazump Green in a fire sale and buy the assets for a knock down price?

It is hilarious and ridiculous both at the same time and at this early stage ra peepul appear to have been taken in hook line and sinker because the cardigan is involved instead of realising that he has part of a cabal that has royally shafted their club.

Not sure there has been venom by the way,maybe you think hatred (on my part) of the huns is venom?If so then there we go eh?

Honest answer? I think that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it and not one that had occurred to me. Now you've stated it.... I can't discount it but I hope you're wrong. It's academic anyway, they should have made a move sooner - no chance of getting control now.

 

[chris661]

Chris,

I ask you again are you a Mod ?

I would expect more from a forum Mod, maybe you are a bitter Mod and need to stand back from this thread as you are not doing yourself or this forum any favors.

Honestly? Have you looked at what you are typing? I can't have an opinion as I am mod?

There is obviously a disagreement but you are way wide of the mark,

 

[Dodger]

Honest answer? I think that's a pretty cynical way of looking at it and not one that had occurred to me. Now you've stated it.... I can't discount it but I hope you're wrong. It's academic anyway, they should have made a move sooner - no chance of getting control now.

I wouldn't be so sure.It's a game that is and has been played and it's only just starting.