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FairwayDodger said:
Don't want to be rude but I don't believe you, sorry. Very few people (who actually attend matches) are going to completely stop going to football if this happens. I mean, you think Celtic fans are going to abandon their club over it? No chance.
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You love argueing with me dont you:rolleyes: ;)

I did say SFL clubs so unless you know something that we dont I dont think Celtic are currently an SFL club;)

I spend a lot of time on the Dunfermline forum and other lower league clubs forums and I can tell you from them that the feelings are running high among the fans of the "wee teams" and I can tell you that there are a lot of Pars season ticket holders and other clubs season ticket holders that have held off renewing for next season until they see what the outcome is of this.

These clubs need to weigh up whats important to them, one one hand its a season of higher crowds, which is only 2 games of the season and remember a lot of the grounds in the first division only have smallish capacities against losing a percentage of their own support indefinitely.

I know what I would prefer if I was a chairman and it doesnt involve selling my own fans out.
 
smange said:
You love argueing with me dont you:rolleyes: ;)
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It would seem so but you do know how to tempt me in! ;)

smange said:
I did say SFL clubs so unless you know something that we dont I dont think Celtic are currently an SFL club;)
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I did miss that distinction, I must admit, but I think it generally applies to SPL supporters as well.

smange said:
I spend a lot of time on the Dunfermline forum and other lower league clubs forums and I can tell you from them that the feelings are running high among the fans of the "wee teams" and I can tell you that there are a lot of Pars season ticket holders and other clubs season ticket holders that have held off renewing for next season until they see what the outcome is of this.

These clubs need to weigh up whats important to them, one one hand its a season of higher crowds, which is only 2 games of the season and remember a lot of the grounds in the first division only have smallish capacities against losing a percentage of their own support indefinitely.

I know what I would prefer if I was a chairman and it doesnt involve selling my own fans out.
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I absolutely believe that feelings are running high. What I don't believe is that the majority of people who support football and actively follow one of the other clubs will abandon their teams over this. Some will, I dare say, but the majority of you are just mouthing off, trying to put the pressure on your clubs.

Which is fair enough, actually, but you shouldn't overplay your hand.
 
Time for every fan to boycott Ibrox for life. A complete set up and cop out by the old boys establishment that run Scottish Football or is it Murdoch at it again trying to grease his palm again.

Newco should be third division and stripped of their assest to pay back what they owe.

Disgusted at the typical bow to the old farm attitude by the authorities that run our game.
 
thecraw said:
Time for every fan to boycott Ibrox for life. A complete set up and cop out by the old boys establishment that run Scottish Football or is it Murdoch at it again trying to grease his palm again.

Newco should be third division and stripped of their assest to pay back what they owe.

Disgusted at the typical bow to the old farm attitude by the authorities that run our game.
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Nothing to do with the so-called "establishment" this is self-interest by the SPL and money-grabbing by Green who doesn't care one iota for the long-term interests of Rangers or Scottish football.
 
FairwayDodger said:
Nothing to do with the so-called "establishment" this is self-interest by the SPL and money-grabbing by Green who doesn't care one iota for the long-term interests of Rangers or Scottish football.
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The SFL have released a statement saying it isn't true. A couple of the folk I follow on twitter reckon this is a pr ploy to change the spotlight of the negativity surrounding the actual owner of the assets and the plans for them.
 
Sounds like it is business. The Wee clubs are just that, some struggling to get 300 fans through the doors.
Every one seems to think that the newco will return as The Mighty Gers. At the moment the are about the same standard as the average 1st division team. They will have no money to spend so they will not be able to buy thier opponents best players and put them in the reserves. It will take at least 5 years for newco to become an average SPL team.
In the meantime clubs like Aberdeen, Hearts, Hibs Dundee United and St Jonstone have an opportunity to compete at the top and increase thier fan base. If they had any go in them they would be pushing hard. Celtic are obviously well ahead of the others at the moment. They will be hit hardest financially by the Ibrox fiasco.
The good news is that it paves the way to a better football world.
We need to lose some of the wee teams, sorry but that is a hard fact.
Two leagues of 16 teams is just about workable on a full time basis. A league feeder system into league 2.
If the cost of that is newco coming into the 1st div [second tier] then i'm all for it.
 
Someone might be able to clarify this for me , but as Rangers FC no longer exist as they went into liquidation how come the newco get to play at murray park and Ibrox ? surely these should be sold to cover costs to creditors just the same as any other company that went into liquidation ?
 
thecraw said:
Time for every fan to boycott Ibrox for life.
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Why just ibrox? The SPL clubs need to be in agreement to this plan


thecraw said:
Newco should be stripped of their assest to pay back what they owe.
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But they paid money to purchase the assets. Are you saying that after purchasing assets they should be stripped of them again??? How would that work under UK law??


The moral argument about paying all debts back may be correct but unfortunately thats not how it works for any business
 
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sydney greenstreet said:
Someone might be able to clarify this for me , but as Rangers FC no longer exist as they went into liquidation how come the newco get to play at murray park and Ibrox ? surely these should be sold to cover costs to creditors just the same as any other company that went into liquidation ?
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They were! Sevco bought them. Do keep up ;)
 
StuartD said:
Ok... but was it Sevco 5088 or Sevco Scotland that bought them :whistle:
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This is where the legal challenge would come from if anybody wanted to. A binding contract but with which sevco? It has turned into a giant grade A mess. Where this actually goes is crazy and TBH with the introducion of "bomber" brown it gets EVEN funnier whic I didn't think was possible!
 
chris661 said:
This is where the legal challenge would come from if anybody wanted to. A binding contract but with which sevco? It has turned into a giant grade A mess. Where this actually goes is crazy and TBH with the introducion of "bomber" brown it gets EVEN funnier whic I didn't think was possible!
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Complete mess - total fiasco.

But depressing rather than funny from my perspective. Although I can appreciate why you'd see it the other way....
 
StuartD said:
Why just ibrox? The SPL clubs need to be in agreement to this plan




But they paid money to purchase the assets. Are you saying that after purchasing assets they should be stripped of them again??? How would that work under UK law??


The moral argument about paying all debts back may be correct but unfortunately thats not how it works for any business
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The old Rangers ran up debts these "assets" should have been striped and sold off to repay the HMRC bill, Police, Ambulance, Hearts, Dundee United etc etc etc .

Rangers should have been dead and buried instead of being given a new debt free ride.
 
thecraw said:
these "assets" should have been striped and sold off to repay the HMRC bill, Police, Ambulance, Hearts, Dundee United etc etc etc .
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But thats what has happened. Any asset sale after liquidation will never cover the total debt (else there would never have been a liquidation event).

thecraw said:
Rangers should have been dead and buried instead of being given a new debt free ride.
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Again i can't argue with the moral arguement but any CVA or newco asset purchase wipes the slate free and allows company/football club to walk free of the debt
 
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