JustOne
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this could end up being a very emotive issue for some so i wont go deeper into my own beliefs..
I know that feeling also.... so I'll not shoot my mouth off, don't want to upset any narrow minded Sco.... erm, people.
this could end up being a very emotive issue for some so i wont go deeper into my own beliefs..
We are an ISLAND and we should be ONE COUNTRY... and that should probably includes Ireland.
Try telling that to the people on the Isle of White... Isle of Man, Shetlands blah blah blahLast time I looked the British isles were made up of 2 islands.
Try telling that to the people on the Isle of White... Isle of Man, Shetlands blah blah blah
of course we could be juvenile in our discussions and split hairs all day.......
was my post too complex or just not accurate enough?Pah!
Your avatar tells me enough of how you think
The Scottish sense of national pride is something that I look at with a degree of envy as the English/British sense of identity seems to have been sadly misappropriated by the far right in recent years, although I see signs of that thankfully changing and a sesne of legitimate pride returning, partly thanks to events liek the jubilee.
Dodger, can I ask what are the qualities or aspects of your heritage that make you proud to be Scottish? I am NOT being sarcastic, I genuinely am interested. :cheers:
British by birth and Scottish by the grace of god![]()
I've read all the posts so far, what a load of rhubarb, we live together, there have been wrongs on all sides in history, but it is history..
I'd rather argue over Are you a dog or cat person?
I am proud to be British. Each of the countries of the British Isles have a unique identity and culture but even the fierce rivalry between us, thankfully mostly confined to sports these days, tends to bond us together rather than separate us.
The history and pagentry that British people can point to is the envy of the world and we can point to the pursuit of a liberal democracy, aspirational meritocracy, the welfare state and art and literature, sport and leisure which I believe set the modern standard.
As for domestic rivalry of course I want England to beat Scotland, Wales and Ireland but I think we would all be poorer for greater independence and I don't mean in the economic/financial sense. So, I'll be shouting for every British athlete at the Olympics (not because if they're British only if they win, but because win, lose, draw they are British and should enjoy my unequivocal support in what I hope is the icing on a very British summer cake).
Agree with much of that.
Except when we get beat in an event, can we revert (like normal) to calling them Scottish, Welsh etc.![]()
How can be be proud when the Syrian government and going round killing villages including women and children, and all we are doing is saying, that's not very nice is it!
Why was libya so quickly read the riot act but Syria...nope. Just continue.
One guy kills and eats his mate and it's a world police hunt. One man (and his army) kill hundreds/thousands and what happens?
or english:ears:
So you're telling me team America doesn't really exist?I find that a strange argument. I am proud to be English and loathe what is going on in Syria (and other places) but we are not the World Policemen and cannot stomp into every country that abuse human rights and "put it right" . At least we are at the forefront of highlighting this and, unlike Russia and China, dont pretend that it's just local terrorists causing trouble.
I am proud that I live in England with a hugely more free lifestyle than most other countries afford their own residents and what happens in Syria, Russia, Burma, etc etc won't change that
How can be be proud when the Syrian government and going round killing villages including women and children, and all we are doing is saying, that's not very nice is it!
Why was libya so quickly read the riot act but Syria...nope. Just continue.
One guy kills and eats his mate and it's a world police hunt. One man (and his army) kill hundreds/thousands and what happens?
Libya has oil, Syria doesn't.
That said, if you want the gun boat to go in are you willing to lead the charge?
Libya has oil, Syria doesn't.