Probably just me but why dress like your grandad?

Golf clubs are one of the few places there days where men do dress smartly, before I finished work (18 months ago) I would go to works does and while the girls of all ages were dressed their best most of the blokes would turn up in jeans and tee shirts or open neck shirts, they mostly just looked scruffy.
 
Hacker Khan said:
So in response to my question in the OP, it probably is just me. Which is fair enough.
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No its not just you. :thup:
Its just that i've realised fairly quickly that threads like this quickly degenerate into arguements about tradition, etiquette, other peoples ideas about whats smart and that old peach "if you don't like it find something else to do". Give me strength !!
I can see exactly what you were getting at, and i agree with you. Fashions move on, unfortunatly golf seams to move a little slower.
I guess its not just out on the course were things need to speed up. ;)
 
blackpuddinmonster said:
No its not just you. :thup:
Its just that i've realised fairly quickly that threads like this quickly degenerate into arguements about tradition, etiquette, other peoples ideas about whats smart and that old peach "if you don't like it find something else to do". Give me strength !!
I can see exactly what you were getting at, and i agree with you. Fashions move on, unfortunatly golf seams to move a little slower.
I guess its not just out on the course were things need to speed up. ;)
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You're both right of course. Isn't it about time we modernised. The sooner we change that horribly dated Green Jacket into a much more modern Green Goretex Hoodie, the better...;)

In all seriousness though, some traditions are dated and do need to be adapted. Some are Classic and need to be maintained so as to uphold the integrity of the game. Deciding which traditions fall in which camp is the hardest part..
 
bluewolf said:
You're both right of course. Isn't it about time we modernised. The sooner we change that horribly dated Green Jacket into a much more modern Green Goretex Hoodie, the better...;)
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Nice...:whistle:
I agree, traditions like good manners, sportsmanship, respect etc aren't up for debate and are an integral part of the game we love.
Fashion in attire though i struggle to associate with tradition.
"clothes don't maketh the man". Despite what mark Twain may think. :p
 
I do not see any problem here. Why can't people dress in smart clothes, I get fed up with the modern day fashions that dicate people should look as scruffy as possible.

Me and the girlfriend went out for Thai with another 3 couples last saturday. I was wearing trousers, shirt and blazer. Ok not the stereotypical blazer with gold button, pleated turn up chinos and brown suede brogues, but a more modern look with straight leg trousers and brown boots. Another lad was dressed similar to me, one in smart jeans, shirt and jumper and the other in faded ripped jeans and an untucked shirt with trainers. I know who looked the smartest out of us all and it was still modern and fashionable.

It is nice sometimes to look smart and not like I am off to work on a building site. If I was being interviewed for GM as the captain of my club, I would not be stood there in my loud outfits and trust me I have a few.
 
MadAdey said:
I see what you mean, but it does create the first impression which is very important.
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:thup:
Maybe he wanted to wear a blazer and trousers etc. maybe he didn't want to be put up as a
poster boy for all those non member, dress code hating golf revolutionaries!!!

This anti establishment trolling is getting a little boring now. Golf as in life there is a dress code. You make an effort for an interview or a wedding, why not the golf club. Golf won't secure it's future by alienating current members, it does it by evolution not the other.

Most that agree with this thread op need to deal with their inherent insecurities.
 
therod said:
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Maybe he wanted to wear a blazer and trousers etc. maybe he didn't want to be put up as a
poster boy for all those non member, dress code hating golf revolutionaries!!!

This anti establishment trolling is getting a little boring now. Golf as in life there is a dress code. You make an effort for an interview or a wedding, why not the golf club. Golf won't secure it's future by alienating current members, it does it by evolution not the other.

Most that agree with this thread op need to deal with their inherent insecurities.
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A few points:-
1) I'am a member of a club
2) Like any other sport i agree that you should play in the correct clothes,(golf shoes etc)
3) I make an effort for interviews because its to my advantage. IF its expected at a wedding, then fair enougth, its not my day.
4) Why do i need to make a "good" impression at the golf club? I'am there to play golf and have a couple of beers, nowt else.
5) How can something evolve without changing? Suggested reading An Origin of Species.
6) Believe me matey insecure is one thing i'am not. Pig headed, beligerent, narrow minded probably, but that was a completly different thread. :whistle:
 
I should point out that golf has evolved. There are many clubs where there is no dress code in the bar, many where there is a relaxed dress code and many where there is a restrictive dress code. There is plenty of choice. As a Free Minded individual I love choice. It's the mark of a progressive society. What I don't like is when people attempt to remove that choice by demanding that all clubs should have the same dress code. It's a little too totalitarian for me.

As I have said before, if you want a relaxed informal dress code then join the club that caters for you. If you want a formal dress code (and many do), then join a club that caters for you. Surely, as a left wing, liberal minded individual, you can't argue against choice?
 
Poor sod wears a blazer and everyone gets all gok wan on him , I played at ilford the other day cost me 10 quid , the greens were brilliant , nice club with a nice friendly feel
 
blackpuddinmonster said:
A few points:-
5) How can something evolve without changing? Suggested reading An Origin of Species.
6) Believe me matey insecure is one thing i'am not. Pig headed, beligerent, narrow minded probably, but that was a completly different thread. :whistle:
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that's the point evolution not revolution, re dressing properly, jacket & tie is the order of the day if you are an officer of the club. Anyone that can't see that is some kind of sociopath.

If memory serves me right you do have some kind of complex, re the van in the car park comment. The other fella on this thread hates traditional golfing institutions because some knob told him to tuck his shirt in. :o
 
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Bluewolf i'am not argueing against choice, i'am defending my right to have one, and the rights of more progresive forumers to also have one.
Everytime one of these threads come up its exactly the same. Somepeople want things to change, some don't, but with the exception of a noteable few, yourself included, its always the "traditionlists" that end up resorting to personal insults.
Take therod for example, apparently i'am an insecure sociopath with a complex about non van drivers, because i'am a modernist.:lol:
If this person had any level of education he would realise that as a sociopath it would be improbable for me to be either insecure or have a complex about anything, but thats a different matter entirely and resorts in reducing myself to same the level of low intellect and name calling.:whistle:
In not one of my posts have i argued against the right of certain clubs to run themselves exactly as they see fit. I have only argued, as is my right in a free society, that "I" think they should change.
So yet again we basically agree, we're just coming from different standpoints. Thats the essence of debate and the only way things can move forward imho. But whats the opinion of a conscienceless monster like me really worth ;).
 
The long rambling reply just reinforces my point, you and you mukka HK have some pretty large issues with authority of any kind, if its not golf clubs it would be librarians :D

the van driving point is the issue in a nutshell, you're looking for non existent offence

The paradox is, I guess you would class yourself as a non judgemental man of the people, when really you're laughing at someone for wearing a blazer, that's pretty sad
 
blackpuddinmonster said:
Bluewolf i'am not argueing against choice, i'am defending my right to have one, and the rights of more progresive forumers to also have one.
Everytime one of these threads come up its exactly the same. Somepeople want things to change, some don't, but with the exception of a noteable few, yourself included, its always the "traditionlists" that end up resorting to personal insults.
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I'm not going to respond to the rest as it's a rehash of previous discussions. However, I should point out that the name calling on the previous thread was started by yourself. I'm not going to find the thread and quote your post, but after Qwerty offered his viewpoint, your response was something along the lines of "Look out Strangelybrown (? I think), they're coming." This was a direct reference to SB's (I think) post about people who are "Traditionalists" being narrow minded, etc etc etc. Now I accept that I threw a couple of very mild comments your way, and I apologise for reacting. But, you can't say that the Traditionalists are the only ones throwing insults.....

By the way, hope you still intend to come on a NW Meet. we're a good bunch. Even Scouser, who's a bit challenged (mentally and physically), He's a lovely chap though...
 
therod said:
The long rambling reply just reinforces my point, you and you mukka HK have some pretty large issues with authority of any kind, if its not golf clubs it would be librarians :D

the van driving point is the issue in a nutshell, you're looking for non existent offence

The paradox is, I guess you would class yourself as a non judgemental man of the people, when really you're laughing at someone for wearing a blazer, that's pretty sad
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Condescending drivel.
 
Bratty said:
Two words: personal choice?
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I hope that the poor lad isn't reading this thread. He's either choosing to dress like his Grandad and therefore putting people off taking up the sport, or he's being forced to dress like his Grandad, and stopping people taking up the sport. And all this time I bet he was just really proud of becoming Club Captain....:rolleyes:
 
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