Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Papas1982]

Haven't read the thread for a few days so this may have been posted already.

From what I can summise, the biggest reason the Season needs to be cancelled/Pro rata is for the European places?

Imo the season has to be completed. Even if we accept uefas terms and pro rata the positions for qualification purposes. So it's harsh on wolves who could have sneaked 4/5th. We then complete our season once we can start again. We cancel the two cups to make space. And team that qualified for Europe in the extended season gets a wuropa place as a compromise (if they don't finish higher in the 20/21 season).

Being in the pl is worth more than being in the CL. So we shouldn't be dictated to by them.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Haven't read the thread for a few days so this may have been posted already.

From what I can summise, the biggest reason the Season needs to be cancelled/Pro rata is for the European places?

Imo the season has to be completed. Even if we accept uefas terms and pro rata the positions for qualification purposes. So it's harsh on wolves who could have sneaked 4/5th. We then complete our season once we can start again. We cancel the two cups to make space. And team that qualified for Europe in the extended season gets a wuropa place as a compromise (if they don't finish higher in the 20/21 season).

Being in the pl is worth more than being in the CL. So we shouldn't be dictated to by them.

And Sheff United. They’ve had a tremendous season and I think Wilder is a real contender for manager of the season.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Why should a club suffer due to none of their own making? The players have been paid with no issues and now they’re jumping ship? It works both ways. I think there needs to be flexibility on both sides. It would be wrong to allow any player to move and play for a rival in the same season. It’s against the rules as it stands.

From what I was told today, in the next 2wks we’ll have a hard and fast date confirmed and a plan of fixtures etc.

Out of contract isn’t jumping ship! What if they got a career ending injury playing for a Club after they should of left? Just say, unlucky mate at least you’re insured.

Flexibility and legally covered are 2 different things.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Haven't read the thread for a few days so this may have been posted already.

From what I can summise, the biggest reason the Season needs to be cancelled/Pro rata is for the European places?

Imo the season has to be completed. Even if we accept uefas terms and pro rata the positions for qualification purposes. So it's harsh on wolves who could have sneaked 4/5th. We then complete our season once we can start again. We cancel the two cups to make space. And team that qualified for Europe in the extended season gets a wuropa place as a compromise (if they don't finish higher in the 20/21 season).

Being in the pl is worth more than being in the CL. So we shouldn't be dictated to by them.

So you say to Norwich or Newcastle, “sorry we’re binning the FA Cup, you don’t mind possibly missing out on a EL place and getting relegated do you?”

UEFA already dictate to us, FFP?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Yes fair point but nevertheless those players in the lower leagues will also be insured to their relative value. My point was if out of contract players do stay and play, Im certain the clubs would have to have them insured in line with fa rules and regulations.

I think there’ll be many lower league sides in trouble and I think there’s plans underfoot to help them all.

With those 800 players out of contract, how many realistiacally do you think will have something concrete for next season? 50 if your lucky I’d guess.

In the current climate then I would say you were right. In normal circumstances then maybe 4/5/6 times that amount, possibly half if they were lucky? Clubs aren't going to take a chance on signing a player if they don't know when that player will be able to play for them. And the player isn't likely to want to risk an injury that might cost him the chance of a contract at a new club.

I have the same argument when it comes to the suggestion of compensating lower league clubs if the cups were to be scrapped to be able to finish the current season and play the next season. How do you fairly work out how much to pay? My lot (somehow) managed to get through to a League Cup quarter final this year and were drawn against Man Utd away. The revenue from that cup run would have covered almost all of the running costs for the season. Next year we would've been equally as likely to go out to Barrow in the first round.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Out of contract isn’t jumping ship! What if they got a career ending injury playing for a Club after they should of left? Just say, unlucky mate at least you’re insured.

Flexibility and legally covered are 2 different things.

Yeah.

it really is this simple, lets use Lallana for example, he's out of contract 30th June.

scenario 1. season restarts 7th June and on the 28th June he does his knee and ends his career. He should’ve been playing for someone else in 72hours what happens then?? He’s insured and he receives a payment from the insurance. Set for life.

Scenario 2. Season restarts 7th June he’s already agreed 2nd May to extend his contract by 1 month and in the meantime he signs a pre-contract with Leicester to start 1st August and on the 5th July he does his knee and ends his career. He should’ve been playing for someone else in 3weeks what happens then?? He’s insured and he receives a payment from the insurance. Set for life.

scenario 3. season Restarts he leaves on 30th June with 4 games to play, he shouldnt be allowed to play for leicester til end of this season.

scenario 4 season restarts he signs a new improved contract at Liverpool for 3 seasons, doess his knee 28th June and ends his career. He’s insured, receives a pay off and he’s set for life

injuries can happen at anytime, in training, at home or in a match. The fear of ending your career shouldn’t be an excuse in this exceptional circumstance.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Why should a player suffer due to none of his own making, he’s honoured his contract and now you’d be restricting his trade.

The more I think about it and after what Pete posted yesterday I really think they need to come up with a hard and fast date and on that date a final decision is made, we can’t keep saying, June or Sept or Nov or Jan 21 etc, there has to come a point.

I dont know if your mis-quoting me, again, but I am of the opinion that we have a few different scenarios and we enact one of them once we are in a lot better position, be it June / Sept / Jan or even next March. I havent called for or applied a cut off date.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Yeah.

it really is this simple, lets use Lallana for example, he's out of contract 30th June.

scenario 1. season restarts 7th June and on the 28th June he does his knee and ends his career. He should’ve been playing for someone else in 72hours what happens then?? He’s insured and he receives a payment from the insurance. Set for life.

Scenario 2. Season restarts 7th June he’s already agreed 2nd May to extend his contract by 1 month and in the meantime he signs a pre-contract with Leicester to start 1st August and on the 5th July he does his knee and ends his career. He should’ve been playing for someone else in 3weeks what happens then?? He’s insured and he receives a payment from the insurance. Set for life.

scenario 3. season Restarts he leaves on 30th June with 4 games to play, he shouldnt be allowed to play for leicester til end of this season.

scenario 4 season restarts he signs a new improved contract at Liverpool for 3 seasons, doess his knee 28th June and ends his career. He’s insured, receives a pay off and he’s set for life

injuries can happen at anytime, in training, at home or in a match. The fear of ending your career shouldn’t be an excuse in this exceptional circumstance.

Every scenario apart from 3 he’s under contract, doing what his contract states and taking the risk.

3 is punishing him.

 

[Liverbirdie]

In the current climate then I would say you were right. In normal circumstances then maybe 4/5/6 times that amount, possibly half if they were lucky? Clubs aren't going to take a chance on signing a player if they don't know when that player will be able to play for them. And the player isn't likely to want to risk an injury that might cost him the chance of a contract at a new club.

I have the same argument when it comes to the suggestion of compensating lower league clubs if the cups were to be scrapped to be able to finish the current season and play the next season. How do you fairly work out how much to pay? My lot (somehow) managed to get through to a League Cup quarter final this year and were drawn against Man Utd away. The revenue from that cup run would have covered almost all of the running costs for the season. Next year we would've been equally as likely to go out to Barrow in the first round.

You apply it across the board in the division, or slightly reward the league positions.

For league 1 and 2 there are no guarantees if they would have got through 1 more round or 5 rounds and the vast majority dont, so a guranteed sum would go down well as it also gives all 24 teams in a division a decent sum, rather than just 3-4 - so much chance of the whole league also surviving intact.

The premier league would also have to be generous.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I dont know if your mis-quoting me, again, but I am of the opinion that we have a few different scenarios and we enact one of them once we are in a lot better position, be it June / Sept / Jan or even next March. I havent called for or applied a cut off date.

No, what you posted was, imo, the best option, I’m adding a cut off date as I can’t see this season hanging over us in 12-18 months time.

Apologies if my post confused you.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Every scenario apart from 3 he’s under contract, doing what his contract states and taking the risk.

3 is punishing him.

He’s under contract with Leicester.

The current rules are there in place so no player transferred can play mid season, so as the season is still active he can’t play for his new side. Simple.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

He’s under contract with Leicester.

The current rules are there in place so no player transferred can play mid season, so as the season is still active he can’t play for his new side. Simple.

Come on Stu it’s not simple if we go 9-12 months waiting to restart, those rules are for normal circumstances, these are extraordinary times, surely if you are going to come up with a workable solution it has to at least try and be workable for everyone.

 

[Liverbirdie]

This thing on player contracts who are running out of contracts in June:-

Football is going to be a lot poorer in the next 12 months, if not longer, and clubs will be not only cutting their cloth, but there also may not be as many clubs that are solvent.

So for the people who are saying that players running out of contracts in June, being in an invidious position if the clubs extend their contracts temporarily for a few months "as an option". I'm not being funny, but there is a high chance that not only may someone not actually sign you, as not as much money about, but you may be glad of the extra 2-3 months pay!!!!

If Lallana is on say 100k a week at Liverpool, can you see someone even offering him 75k a week at the moment, especially as the wrong side of 30?

 

[GB72]

Maybe it is just a waiting game now, we hold on to see what Spain, Italy and Germany do and if they both want to wait and finish the season and we follow suit, I cannot see how uefa can oppose it.

 

[ColchesterFC]

You apply it across the board in the division, or slightly reward the league positions.

For league 1 and 2 there are no guarantees if they would have got through 1 more round or 5 rounds and the vast majority dont, so a guranteed sum would go down well as it also gives all 24 teams in a division a decent sum, rather than just 3-4 - so much chance of the whole league also surviving intact.

The premier league would also have to be generous.

Any chance that for this one off situation we could reward based on league position? Chuck an extra couple of million in the direction of my lot then I'm behind you all the way.

 

[fundy]

And Sheff United. They’ve had a tremendous season and I think Wilder is a real contender for manager of the season.

2nd in a photo in a 1 horse race!

 

[Deleted member 1740]

2nd in a photo in a 1 horse race!

In that case I’ll have backed him?

 

[fundy]

In that case I’ll have backed him?

you and me both fella lol

 

[Papas1982]

And Sheff United. They’ve had a tremendous season and I think Wilder is a real contender for manager of the season.

Yeah that's fair too. Just picked wolves out the air.

It's not perfect and harsh they'll likely miss CL, but PL can only make decision on our leagues plans. Not europes.

 

[Papas1982]

So you say to Norwich or Newcastle, “sorry we’re binning the FA Cup, you don’t mind possibly missing out on a EL place and getting relegated do you?”

UEFA already dictate to us, FFP?

No. I'm saying we bin of Next seasons cups. So wolves, Sheff get a second European season if they miss out.

Not this years cups. We conclude them as we would the league.