Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[GB72]

Road closures/barriers and plenty of stewards 2mtrs apart and police within a mile radius of every stadium. Sorted.

With numbers down due to illness etc, how many police can you spare to close all of the roads around a stadium. Plus crowds forming at the road blocks. Guessing it is also a bigger police operation to deal with crowd dispersal rather than control

 

[Deleted member 16999]

It was a general comment not aimed at anyone in particular.

Hypothetical.....

So if next season does get delayed til say November, there would be a massive strain to get the season finished by may in order to play the Euros.

We could restart this season in november finish in jan. 4 months off then the euros into a new season.....

Cancelling this season without having a clear picture of how next season will look would be ludicrous imo.

Makes sense, but only for our League, what if UEFA want this seasons CL & EL to finish from then or run the 20/21 CL & EL campaigns.

How could any English teams enter?

Until we know exactly how UEFA want next season to run and when, I don’t think the PL can make a final decision.

 

[ColchesterFC]

I don't think it's possible to make a decision until we know when football can safely restart.

If it's possible to restart by June/July then complete the season and juggle the start of next season to make it work. If we can't start until Sept/Oct then would making this season null and void and going ahead with next season as planned make sense? If we can't start again until Dec/Jan then it seems reasonable to scrap next season and play this one out to a finish.

One idea I saw floated yesterday was to (hopefully) complete this season later this year, finishing by Oct/Nov. Then having a break and running next season (20/21) from Jan to Oct/Nov with a summer break for the Euros. The 21/22 season would again be Jan to Oct with a break before the World Cup starts in Qatar in Nov. This would obviously need some agreement with UEFA with how it would fit in with CL and EL and would need other leagues to come on board but at first look it seems workable. Also would need to try to work out how to get back from that to a "normal" Sept to May season.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

With numbers down due to illness etc, how many police can you spare to close all of the roads around a stadium. Plus crowds forming at the road blocks. Guessing it is also a bigger police operation to deal with crowd dispersal rather than control

Well they’re not doing nothing else are they, after all the burglary rates are down ?

I‘d have a zero tolerance approach and give them power to taser anyone in a Football shirt,especially the likes of Dave with No 1 Dad on the back.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If we don’t start until late in the year what happens with transfers/contracts etc.

If Newcastle sale goes through could the PL stop them from buying players or players in teams near the bottom being forced to stay or not being being able to play.

I think Fundy mentioned contracts the other day, the law suits would imo, only become more likely the longer this season is delayed.

Is anyone aware if any legal action is being threatened by Clubs in those foreign Leagues that have awarded League positions etc?

 

[ColchesterFC]

Well they’re not doing nothing else are they, after all the burglary rates are down ?

Not forgetting that in the last month the Tories have managed to get violence and anti-social behaviour in pubs down to zero and shoplifting crimes are also way down. Seems like we should have plenty of coppers to spare to police a few barricades.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Makes sense, but only for our League, what if UEFA want this seasons CL & EL to finish from then or run the 20/21 CL & EL campaigns.

How could any English teams enter?

Until we know exactly how UEFA want next season to run and when, I don’t think the PL can make a final decision.

Isnt that the most important thing here?

Should we really run our leagues to UEFA‘s tune?

Can UEFA as governing body make a decision whereby all European leagues are null and void? Also, can clubs refuse to take part in UEFA competitions?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Not forgetting that in the last month the Tories have managed to get violence and anti-social behaviour in pubs down to zero and shoplifting crimes are also way down. Seems like we should have plenty of coppers to spare to police a few barricades.

Please don’t say the T word on this thread, SR’s alarm will go off and he’ll be on here arguing the toss ??

 

[larmen]

In the Netherlands where they have abandoned the season they now have a legal challenge from the top 2 clubs in division 2.
In France where they close the season and count current standing I expect legal challenges from the bottom 2 teams in league 1. After all, 1 of them had all difficult games already.

2 scenarios, none of them is right. I am happy not to have to make a decision, but I lean towards abandon rather than counting. Not seeing any football being played until maybe August, I think.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Isnt that the most important thing here?

Should we really run our leagues to UEFA‘s tune?

Can UEFA as governing body make a decision whereby all European leagues are null and void? Also, can clubs refuse to take part in UEFA competitions?

Can our clubs afford to annoy UEFA with regards to the CL and EL? I've no idea what the breakdown of income between the PL and CL looks like but would it be feasible to say to to UEFA, "This is what we're doing, if as a result we miss out on your comps for a year then so be it, but we're going to do this". Could our big clubs get by wihtout CL/EL income?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

If we don’t start until late in the year what happens with transfers/contracts etc.

If Newcastle sale goes through could the PL stop them from buying players or players in teams near the bottom being forced to stay or not being being able to play.

I think Fundy mentioned contracts the other day, the law suits would imo, only become more likely the longer this season is delayed.

Is anyone aware if any legal action is being threatened by Clubs in those foreign Leagues that have awarded League positions etc?

Players contracts is a complex issue but one that could be resolved. I doubt we’ll be seeing massive amounts on transfers being spent over the next few seasons Due to the uncertainty.

if the season gets restarted then no teams should be able to register players. If players out of contract don’t want to stay and play then they leave but cannot sign for another team til the season has finished.

Dont forget all of these players are insured for vast sums, none will be asked to risk their careers without cover as such.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Can our clubs afford to annoy UEFA with regards to the CL and EL? I've no idea what the breakdown of income between the PL and CL looks like but would it be feasible to say to to UEFA, "This is what we're doing, if as a result we miss out on your comps for a year then so be it, but we're going to do this". Could our big clubs get by wihtout CL/EL income?

We possibly could but the same could be said can UEFA afford to not have English sides in Europe. Would BT pay £1bn for rights, can UEFA afford to say no to that sort of money?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Isnt that the most important thing here?

Should we really run our leagues to UEFA‘s tune?

Can UEFA as governing body make a decision whereby all European leagues are null and void? Also, can clubs refuse to take part in UEFA competitions?

UEFA have set a deadline of 25th May for Leagues to nominate next years entrants in to CL and EL comps.

Also on that day Leagues must inform them whether they want to cancel or complete their season

We are “affiliated” to them so I can’t see us being allowed to get our own way all the time.

 

[ColchesterFC]

Players contracts is a complex issue but one that could be resolved. I doubt we’ll be seeing massive amounts on transfers being spent over the next few seasons Due to the uncertainty.

if the season gets restarted then no teams should be able to register players. If players out of contract don’t want to stay and play then they leave but cannot sign for another team til the season has finished.

Dont forget all of these players are insured for vast sums, none will be asked to risk their careers without cover as such.

Only at the top level Stu, for those lower down the leagues this might not always be the case. So far my club have announced that due to the current uncertainty they are going to have to let at least 4 (4 so far announced) out of contract players go when their contracts are up at the end of the (planned) season. There are estimates that up to 800 players outside the PL could be released by their clubs at the end of their contracts which could be before the season finishes. For some clubs this could mean that they are finishing the season with youth players drafted in to make up the numbers.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

UEFA have set a deadline of 25th May for Leagues to nominate next years entrants in to CL and EL comps.

Also on that day Leagues must inform them whether they want to cancel or complete their season

We are “affiliated” to them so I can’t see us being allowed to get our own way all the time.

I thought the deadline was just for the leagues to decide if the season goes ahead or not.

So being affiliated doesn’t really hold much weight. We could in theory leave it couldn’t we? I think UEFA will be flexible with all countries tbh, they’ll need the big boys in their show piece comps.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Players contracts is a complex issue but one that could be resolved. I doubt we’ll be seeing massive amounts on transfers being spent over the next few seasons Due to the uncertainty.

if the season gets restarted then no teams should be able to register players. If players out of contract don’t want to stay and play then they leave but cannot sign for another team til the season has finished.

Dont forget all of these players are insured for vast sums, none will be asked to risk their careers without cover as such.

Why should a player suffer due to none of his own making, he’s honoured his contract and now you’d be restricting his trade.

The more I think about it and after what Pete posted yesterday I really think they need to come up with a hard and fast date and on that date a final decision is made, we can’t keep saying, June or Sept or Nov or Jan 21 etc, there has to come a point.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

I thought the deadline was just for the leagues to decide if the season goes ahead or not.

So being affiliated doesn’t really hold much weight. We could in theory leave it couldn’t we? I think UEFA will be flexible with all countries tbh, they’ll need the big boys in their show piece comps.

Apolgies 25th May is the deadline for the French League to nominate for next years comps.

I think affiliation is everything to be honest, I can’t see the FA/PL opting in and out when they like, it affects the National side, Foreign players registrations etc.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Only at the top level Stu, for those lower down the leagues this might not always be the case. So far my club have announced that due to the current uncertainty they are going to have to let at least 4 (4 so far announced) out of contract players go when their contracts are up at the end of the (planned) season. There are estimates that up to 800 players outside the PL could be released by their clubs at the end of their contracts which could be before the season finishes. For some clubs this could mean that they are finishing the season with youth players drafted in to make up the numbers.

Yes fair point but nevertheless those players in the lower leagues will also be insured to their relative value. My point was if out of contract players do stay and play, Im certain the clubs would have to have them insured in line with fa rules and regulations.

I think there’ll be many lower league sides in trouble and I think there’s plans underfoot to help them all.

With those 800 players out of contract, how many realistiacally do you think will have something concrete for next season? 50 if your lucky I’d guess.

 

[Pin-seeker]

We don’t even have a date when the country will try and get up & running again,but obviously we need one for football ?
Shall we just put peoples safety first? ??

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Why should a player suffer due to none of his own making, he’s honoured his contract and now you’d be restricting his trade.

The more I think about it and after what Pete posted yesterday I really think they need to come up with a hard and fast date and on that date a final decision is made, we can’t keep saying, June or Sept or Nov or Jan 21 etc, there has to come a point.

Why should a club suffer due to none of their own making? The players have been paid with no issues and now they’re jumping ship? It works both ways. I think there needs to be flexibility on both sides. It would be wrong to allow any player to move and play for a rival in the same season. It’s against the rules as it stands.

From what I was told today, in the next 2wks we’ll have a hard and fast date confirmed and a plan of fixtures etc.