Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Orikoru]

No I’m not, I’m saying they’ve accepted the current season doesn’t matter compared to lives.

They are planning the next season, but have not put down any dates.

Well I think they've been a bit stupid. It's absolutely nothing to do with lives, I don't know why you keep mentioning that in an attempt to look pious. Football will resume eventually and when it's safe, we're just talking about what happens when it does. This is the football thread after all, could we maybe discuss it without the FOOTBALL DOESN'T MATTER spiel every few posts?

 

[Orikoru]

You’re suggesting nominating teams then finishing the league and hope the nominated teams finish in the correct position?

Then in Europe you’ll have PL 19/20, CL 19/20, EL 19/20 as well as other leagues 20/21, CL 20/21 and EL 20/21.

Good luck with that.

UEFA will certainly give us priority over the likes of Holland, Belgium etc based on the amount of money we put in. Just look at the fact we have four entries into the Champions League as it is, which is pretty daft if you think about it. They will wait for us if they have to.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Well I think they've been a bit stupid. It's absolutely nothing to do with lives, I don't know why you keep mentioning that in an attempt to look pious. Football will resume eventually and when it's safe, we're just talking about what happens when it does. This is the football thread after all, could we maybe discuss it without the FOOTBALL DOESN'T MATTER spiel every few posts?

Nice deflect getting personal when you can’t give a sensible answer!

Nowhere have I said I don’t want football back, I certainly don’t want Football behind closed doors, but hey, if you think football is more important than someone’s life then crack on.

 

[Orikoru]

Nice deflect getting personal when you can’t give a sensible answer!

Nowhere have I said I don’t want football back, I certainly don’t want Football behind closed doors, but hey, if you think football is more important than someone’s life then crack on.

Now I know you just said that to wind me up and I'm not biting this time.

 

[Liverbirdie]

So if a team is nominated are they likely to want to play the games and risk losing out?

Mate, people are dying still, there is talk of more waves etc, do we keep delaying this or the next season until it is fully sorted or come up with a number of deaths that is an acceptable risk at Football stadiums?

ie, Start next season in Jan, another surge in Feb/Mar, oh, ok pause that season etc.

Just stop now, call it on current positions and don’t even think of starting the next one, anywhere in Europe until we have a clear picture of the risks and dangers.

Do we really want the rest of the season and next season behind closed doors?

I understand that people are still dying and I also think its too, soon.

BUT, why the hurry to preserve or worry about the following season - this mud is only slung at people who want to preserve this season and not people who want to preserve next season.

The simple answer is to finish this season come what may, even if its in 2021 and then worry about the following season - ticks all the boxes, saves lives and dont start till safer.

 

[Liverbirdie]

But in the grand scheme of human life does any of that really matter. Once in a lifetime shot of a trophy or a once in a lifetime opportunity to realise football isn't as important as mankind and do the right thing.

For me football just isn't important enough to justify restarting when there are far more important things at stake.

You just finish the season when its safe, is all i'm saying, whenever that may be - why the big worry about the following season, now?

Why is there this presumption that people who want the season finishing want it doing now or in June - people are reading what they want to read.

 

[Lord Tyrion]

You’re suggesting nominating teams then finishing the league and hope the nominated teams finish in the correct position?

Then in Europe you’ll have PL 19/20, CL 19/20, EL 19/20 as well as other leagues 20/21, CL 20/21 and EL 20/21.

Good luck with that.

I am saying nominating teams if the league does not finish by whatever deadline date UEFA give. This is what is going to happen in those leagues that finish early, they are having to work out a system that covers the missing games.

After the nomination dates are closed what happens in leagues that carry on becomes irrelevant for the European competitions. If for example we do not restart until after the cut off date for European comp nominations then we probably have to freeze the league as it stands. Man Utd may be grumpy at missing out on CL, Wolves on Europa League. Not a lot we can do about that, those are the circumstances we are in right now. If Wolves end up finishing 5th then they can feel hard done to but these are not normal times.

Whatever decision is made, this is all hypothetical of course, then don't forget all of the teams in the PL will be party to the decision being made, they are all involved in the meetings. I would not expect it to get legal on that basis.

 

[Liverbirdie]

And France, Belgium, Holland etc do what while they wait for us to catch up?

Have you heard yourself - they obviously wont be able to start for 12-18 months either, will they????????

We need 2 months to close the season off, tag it on, pause, do whatever, just finish it off then start the next one in a different format for 1 season (no cups, no internationals, only 19 games - play vereyone once) - look loads of options.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Finishing the season off does not equal, finishing it in June 2020 / Sept 2020 / Feb 2021.......just when its safe.

 

[fundy]

Have you heard yourself - they obviously wont be able to start for 12-18 months either, will they????????

We need 2 months to close the season off, tag it on, pause, do whatever, just finish it off then start the next one in a different format for 1 season (no cups, no internationals, only 19 games - play vereyone once) - look loads of options.

this is pretty much what I said at the start of this, should finish this season off as and when it is fully safe to do so, then look at where they are in the calendar and make the next year an abbreviated season if needs be (ie no home and away to halve amount of games) and then return to normal the following season

I expect the issue from the clubs against this is they will lose huge amounts of the TV revenue if this is the chosen option hence the desire to get back to playing and keep next season as planned (its still all about money sadly)

 

[Captainron]

Finishing the season off does not equal, finishing it in June 2020 / Sept 2020 / Feb 2021.......just when its safe.

I very much doubt that will be the case Pedro.

The FA/EUFA/FIFA will have a cut off date for the current season to be completed and I think it will mean an end to this campaign.

I would think that the current standings are used as finished standings. Liverpool get the title and We say goodbye to Bournemouth/Villa and Norwich.

 

[fundy]

I very much doubt that will be the case Pedro.

The FA/EUFA/FIFA will have a cut off date for the current season to be completed and I think it will mean an end to this campaign.

I would think that the current standings are used as finished standings. Liverpool get the title and We say goodbye to Bournemouth/Villa and Norwich.

not a chance they relegate from the prem anyone if this season doesnt get played out, wont be starting the following season till the court cases are settled

 

[Liverbirdie]

I very much doubt that will be the case Pedro.

The FA/EUFA/FIFA will have a cut off date for the current season to be completed and I think it will mean an end to this campaign.

I would think that the current standings are used as finished standings. Liverpool get the title and We say goodbye to Bournemouth/Villa and Norwich.

It is still all up in the air, changes every day.

It was just doing my head in that people think that "season-finishers" somehow want it doing ASAP. Some of them actually seem "desparate" to make sure next season starts in August/September - but thats alright?

 

[Captainron]

Other alternative is to finish off the season in their own time and miss out on the European competitions without compensation for boycotting. If this league is so important then that could be a workaround?

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Have you heard yourself - they obviously wont be able to start for 12-18 months either, will they????????

We need 2 months to close the season off, tag it on, pause, do whatever, just finish it off then start the next one in a different format for 1 season (no cups, no internationals, only 19 games - play vereyone once) - look loads of options.

You’re taking that post in isolation, in was response to LordT mentioning finishing the PL in March next year!

Therefore if Leagues in Europe want to start before then and some Leagues are finishing off this season who decides?

That’s without the debacle of transfers/contracts etc.

Whatever comes to pass you can be assured someone won’t be happy.

 

[Liverbirdie]

Other alternative is to finish off the season in their own time and miss out on the European competitions without compensation for boycotting. If this league is so important then that could be a workaround?

Most premiership seasons start 5-6 weeks before the normal CL game 1.

If you cancel the league cup, compensate league clubs, it will be back on track just by doing that, cancelling International friendlies may even bring it ahead of schedule.

You could still finish 1 season +2 months within the normal 9-10 months without an FA cup, international friendlies and league cup (for one season only).

 

[Liverbirdie]

You’re taking that post in isolation, in was response to LordT mentioning finishing the PL in March next year!

Therefore if Leagues in Europe want to start before then and some Leagues are finishing off this season who decides?

That’s without the debacle of transfers/contracts etc.

Whatever comes to pass you can be assured someone won’t be happy.

So if the pandemic is still bad in March next year, wouldnt it make sense to finish all the current comps in March-May, then just start again in the August 2021?

One full season written off, a season that had no games played, no rounds played, no unfair promotions / relegations etc, etc, etc

 

[AmandaJR]

It would probably make things clearer if the authorities had the guts to say "whenever it is 100% safe to return to professional football we will start exactly where we finished, until completion of the 2020 season's fixtures".

With that decision made and declared the current undue haste to return would be reduced. It bothers me the stories coming out (being declared by clubs) about a start to training etc. To me this is just trying to pressure a start asap and also making sure the authorities are acutely aware of the pressure to do so.

Football, and all professional sport, should just be sitting back and waiting for it to be absolutely safe to resume. Any pushing for an early start as it suits their agenda should be ashamed.

 

[GB72]

Just my thoughts on the matter as someone with an interest in football but not a massive fan (but this applies to rugby and other team sports). I know that this is a bit extreme and would not be acceptable to most people but it would be safe (or as safe as it can be). Suspend the season until the date next year that matches started being postponed. Finish off this season in the exact same time frame as it would have this year and move on to the 2021/22 season as we would have done normally. Effectively it would abandon the 2020/21 season Extend all TV deals for a further year to take into account the lost season which would allow clubs time to cut their cloth accordingly to account for the lost TV revenue or agree an extended deal with reduced payments each year to take into account the loss. If there is any earlier lifting of restrictions, clubs are allowed to arrange friendly matches for which they can negotiate their own TV deals or nominate friendly weekends and take those into account in any reduction on future TV income across the current deal.

In all reality, european football is not going to happen this season due to travel and hotel restrictions. As such, this system would allow for the current euorpean tournaments to be concluded next year, again in the same time frame that they would have been completed this year.

For me, playing behind closed doors should be off the table. Aside from the inherent risk to players and staff, I find it hard to believe that fans will not turn up to the vicinity of the grounds, think it happened in europe with the matches behind closed doors before the lockdowns.

There is the problem of lost revenue but this would be the safest and fairest approach that I can think of with the least chance of promotion and relegation being settled in court (which it would be if the matches are not played).

 

[Imurg]

I can see problems further down the line..
Just say all football is restarted from September.
Those leagues that scrapped this season choose who goes into the European competitions, those that finish their leagues have their qualifiers and the European games start a bit later than normal.
Just after New Year one country, irrelevant which one, has another outbreak and has to lockdown again.
If it's us or Germany or France, Spain, Italy it's going to bring the european games to a halt because they're bound to have teams in the latter stages..
And so it goes on.
And just say we get the leagues going again in July. Halfway to finishing the season a team gets enough positive cases that the whole club has to lockdown....what then?
There are so many "what ifs" and any of them could happen.....
I also think that the season has to be either scrapped or finished whenever that may be.
Unless positions are mathematically decided you cant award titles or relegate/promote....