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Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

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Stuart_C said:
8pm kick off on Boxing day is an absolute piss take, regardless of what teams are playing.
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The only way to deal with that is for no away fan to buy a ticket and go. Leave the whole away section empty, embarrass the PL and the broadcasters on tv. Sadly that wont happen, fans of all teams are largely useless at organised protests likes this, so the PL will continue to abuse the goodwill of fans.
 
I remember when boxing day was as local a game as possible. Obviously there are logistical issues. But they could certainly do better than they have.

That being said, if coverage is gonna be available for All games then maybe its time to scrap the whole 3pm game rule in regards to coverage being allowed.

Give everyone the choice how they want to view the game. Means that there's no disruption to fixtures etc, and if clubs then need to lower ticket prices to fill the stands so be it. It's been a long time since ticket sales were really relevant to a clubs financial survival.
 
Papas1982 said:
I remember when boxing day was as local a game as possible. Obviously there are logistical issues. But they could certainly do better than they have.
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No problems for Reading fans. Home to QPR on Boxing day, and away to Fulham New Years day.(y) At least in the Championship you get games played at traditional times, unless you are Leeds when you are on the box nearly every game.:whistle:
 
Lord Tyrion said:
The only way to deal with that is for no away fan to buy a ticket and go. Leave the whole away section empty, embarrass the PL and the broadcasters on tv. Sadly that wont happen, fans of all teams are largely useless at organised protests likes this, so the PL will continue to abuse the goodwill of fans.
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Leave the away end empty and what would that achieve?

The only way to make a stand is to have a full home and away boycott and let the game be played with no fans atmosphere etc that might wake the PL up.

Or an even easier solution is when the PL sell the rights they stipulate that certain days and times are protected.
 
Papas1982 said:
I remember when boxing day was as local a game as possible. Obviously there are logistical issues. But they could certainly do better than they have.

That being said, if coverage is gonna be available for All games then maybe its time to scrap the whole 3pm game rule in regards to coverage being allowed.

Give everyone the choice how they want to view the game. Means that there's no disruption to fixtures etc, and if clubs then need to lower ticket prices to fill the stands so be it. It's been a long time since ticket sales were really relevant to a clubs financial survival.
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I reckon in 3 seasons time this will be the case in PL football.
 
Stuart_C said:
Leave the away end empty and what would that achieve?

The only way to make a stand is to have a full home and away boycott and let the game be played with no fans atmosphere etc that might wake the PL up.

Or an even easier solution is when the PL sell the rights they stipulate that certain days and times are protected.
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It sends a statement to the broadcasters and PL. The league and broadcasters do not like empty space at grounds, it seems to be a weak spot for them both visually and in terms of atmosphere. Atmosphere is one of the things that sells the PL around the world and an odd atmosphere at prime time Boxing Day would make them sit up and take notice. If fans just keep turning up then things will carry on as they are now, perhaps get worse.

The majority of home fans have already paid for their seat via season tickets. They are not gonig to miss a match for something they have already paid for. The inconvenience for them is also reduced as their travel is minimal, on the whole.
 
Lord Tyrion said:
It sends a statement to the broadcasters and PL. The league and broadcasters do not like empty space at grounds, it seems to be a weak spot for them both visually and in terms of atmosphere. Atmosphere is one of the things that sells the PL around the world and an odd atmosphere at prime time Boxing Day would make them sit up and take notice. If fans just keep turning up then things will carry on as they are now, perhaps get worse.

The majority of home fans have already paid for their seat via season tickets. They are not gonig to miss a match for something they have already paid for. The inconvenience for them is also reduced as their travel is minimal, on the whole.
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It's almost impossible to get a full boycott of an away end, though we had a good go at Hull a few seasons ago after they tried to charge us £50 after they'd charged Everton £26 only a few weeks before.

I'd be happy to back a boycott but I think it's about time that every clubs supporters groups join in and maybe boycott 1 weekend of games to make a point that match going fans are seriously pissed off with the utter contempt that fans are treated with.
 
Stuart_C said:
I reckon in 3 seasons time this will be the case in PL football.
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It’s been a long time coming imo.
I can still recall doing my business a levels based in the model almost 2- years ago!

It was the right call back then, but now it just doesn’t make sense. They must realise enough people watch games whenever they want through one means or another. The only issue with it I see is that currently the finances are split somewhat fairly. If clubs get free reign to negotiate their own deals then the league will be dead.
 
Papas1982 said:
It’s been a long time coming imo.
I can still recall doing my business a levels based in the model almost 2- years ago!

It was the right call back then, but now it just doesn’t make sense. They must realise enough people watch games whenever they want through one means or another. The only issue with it I see is that currently the finances are split somewhat fairly. If clubs get free reign to negotiate their own deals then the league will be dead.
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That currently happens in Spain now, I dont think that league is dead.
 
Stuart_C said:
That currently happens in Spain now, I dont think that league is dead.
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Don’t each club also negotiate their own Telly rights with the money being very biased towards the big two ?

No issues with the Saturday 3pm games being shown but they would need to ensure it doesn’t affect any club
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Don’t each club also negotiate their own Telly rights with the money being very biased towards the big two ?

No issues with the Saturday 3pm games being shown but they would need to ensure it doesn’t affect any club
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It could be a good thing for the match going fan, cheaper tickets etc. Let the Armchair telly clappers pay👍
 
Stuart_C said:
That currently happens in Spain now, I dont think that league is dead.
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As a competition it is and has been for a while now. Granted every now and a again a team pops it’s head up and challenges. Athletico currently, Valencia in the past, who subsequently almost went to the wall having spent too much to get there.

If the teams sold their rights now. IMO UTD and Liverpool would make the most, by a distance. Then you’d have Chelsea and City. Arsenal and Spurs would do ok. The rest would be on vastly inferior numbers which I reckon would mean Within a few years there would be no wolves or Leicester pushing for Europa and hoping for better.
 
Liverpoolphil said:
Don’t each club also negotiate their own Telly rights with the money being very biased towards the big two ?

No issues with the Saturday 3pm games being shown but they would need to ensure it doesn’t affect any club
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Using saints as an example, of we sold out every home game at lets say 29000 seats for home allocation. Our average ticket price is £42. That’s just over £23m. If we lost 20% either through sales or ticket price it really wouldn’t make a great deal of difference. Saints got £79.4m for simply being in the league and another £12m for games shown on tv. If we show more games you’d imagine that easily covers the 20% match day revenues.

Obviously if it’s a different deal for different clubs then that could make a bigger difference. But currently that needs to go to the clubs to vote on and there are more clubs who’d want a joint deal than separate one.
 
Bazzatron said:
City at 19.45 on the 27th
Liverpool at 16.30 on the 29th

We'll need new hamstrings in the transfer window.
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Tough set of fixtures that, we had something very similar last year.

These Amazon live games are going to be carnage if their coverage of the us open tennis is anything to go by.
 
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