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[Deleted member 1740]

I think Liverpool and Citys defence are closer than most Pool fans would accept. VVD does take them a notch above though. City dont get tested nearly as much with the quality of their midfield (offensively and defensively) so not black and white to judge. I'd still take 2, possibly even 3 from City in a composite back 5.

TAA should really be a midfielder. Makes the same errors defensively against good wingers and signs Klopp doesn't trust him in certain games already. He's technically exceptional, arguably their best so he should be on the ball as much as possible. Especially as their midfield isn't exactly full of technical ability. Pep would almost certainly be playing him as a midfielder by now.

United have been so poor at the back for so long that it's easy to see why the fans are getting excited this year - the 2 signings plus a fit Shaw is a huge improvement, but time will tell if they can form a partnership over a season. Even then it's not got the quality of the above 2, but potential to be level with Spurs on that front.

Trent is still only a young lad 19/20, I don't think he's as bad as he's being made out to be neither. He certainly doesn't look out of place.

Yes he's made mistakes but those mistakes are few and far between.

I'm certain he'll have a superb career as a great RB.

Klopp trusted him enough to play in 2 European Cup Finals, arguably the biggest games in Club Football.

 

[Slime]

😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

One back line in the Prem is the best in Europe - and it’s not United’s

Keep telling yourself, Phil, keep telling yourself.

 

[Tashyboy]

Not seen tonights game but its kicking off on manc evening news with Utd fans asking whats the difference between the sterling goal last week ruled out with VAR. And tonights Wolves goal Not ruled out with both offsides involving a shoulder.

 

[Tashyboy]

Ederson, TAA, Laporte, VVD, Robertson for me.

Oddly enough Dan i kept an eye on young kev aka zinchenko on saturday. I have never seen him
So far forward. Not just left wing but in field. A very under rated player. I wouldnt have him In your four though

 

[TheDiablo]

Trent is still only a young lad 19/20, I don't think he's as bad as he's being made out to be neither. He certainly doesn't look out of place.

Yes he's made mistakes but those mistakes are few and far between.

I'm certain he'll have a superb career as a great RB.

Klopp trusted him enough to play in 2 European Cup Finals, arguably the biggest games in Club Football.

Agree that he doesn't look out of place, far from it. Even if he does end up at CM the experience in the first team at RB would be infinitely better than spells on loan at CM.

The CL final selection a bit of a red herring - a couple of years back you had no choice and last year Spurs don't play with a left winger so he wasn't going to be tested in ways he's previously struggled.

I know full backs are more important than ever, but I just think his attributes are far better placed in midfield, which also then disguises the few weaknesses he has, as well as giving you strength in an area I think you really lack.

I'm sure if he continues at RB he will have a fantastic career too.

 

[davemc1]

Keep telling yourself, Phil, keep telling yourself.

Who is it then bro?

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Agree that he doesn't look out of place, far from it. Even if he does end up at CM the experience in the first team at RB would be infinitely better than spells on loan at CM.

The CL final selection a bit of a red herring - a couple of years back you had no choice and last year Spurs don't play with a left winger so he wasn't going to be tested in ways he's previously struggled.

I know full backs are more important than ever, but I just think his attributes are far better placed in midfield, which also then disguises the few weaknesses he has, as well as giving you strength in an area I think you really lack.

I'm sure if he continues at RB he will have a fantastic career too.

Disagree with the highlighted bit. If Klopp has any doubts about him he doesn’t play in those games.

He played 29 of 38 PL games last season, all 11 CL games and was injured for about 4/5 PL games.

He’s not the finished article, far from it, but he’s improving week to week.

 

[Deleted member 1147]

Who is it then bro?

Burnley 👍

 

[Slime]

Who is it then bro?

I guess we'll find out at the end of the season.
We can only have opinions as it's a totally subjective discussion.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Think Neville has a point here https://www.skysports.com/football/...ester-united-penalty-confusion-in-wolves-draw

Seemed to be a total lack of communication and leadership and given Pogba's record I wouldn't want him anywhere near a penalty at the moment

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Keep telling yourself, Phil, keep telling yourself.

I just need to look at the defensive record over the past 12 months and that defensive record enabling the team to win the biggest club Comp. There isn’t one Man Utd player from the back 5 that would get in Liverpool’s and prob City’s. Man Utd’s back line are around Spurs level. And I expect if you ask around most certainly wouldn’t have Utd backline as the top.

 

[Beezerk]

There isn’t one Man Utd player from the back 5 that would get in Liverpool’s an.d prob City’s.

Maguire vs Matip
Wan Bissaka vs Arnold

Pick the bones out of those, too close to call I'd say.

PS.

De Gea vs Adrian

 

[Papas1982]

I just need to look at the defensive record over the past 12 months and that defensive record enabling the team to win the biggest club Comp. There isn’t one Man Utd player from the back 5 that would get in Liverpool’s and prob City’s. Man Utd’s back line are around Spurs level. And I expect if you ask around most certainly wouldn’t have Utd backline as the top.

Granted last year De Gea wasn't his usual self, but if he goes back to how he has been in the last 5 years then he is easily as good as any in the league, If not better.
I'd also say that whilst i don't think he is at VVD level, Maguire could certainly compete with Gomez/Stones/Otamendi in regards to being the 2nd pick cb at either of the top 2 teams. He is after all, picked ahead of both of them for england.

 

[PJ87]

I just need to look at the defensive record over the past 12 months and that defensive record enabling the team to win the biggest club Comp. There isn’t one Man Utd player from the back 5 that would get in Liverpool’s and prob City’s. Man Utd’s back line are around Spurs level. And I expect if you ask around most certainly wouldn’t have Utd backline as the top.

I’d argue Maguire would get in both

Both city and Liverpool have 1 stand out central defender (vvd and Laporte) the rest are replaceable

Maguire could easily slot in either teams

 

[Papas1982]

Maguire vs Matip
Wan Bissaka vs Arnold

Pick the bones out of those, too close to call I'd say.

Arnold and Maguire for me.

Wan bissaka is a better defender imo, but the top teams need more than just solid defensive work from their fullbacks these days.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

Granted last year De Gea wasn't his usual self, but if he goes back to how he has been in the last 5 years then he is easily as good as any in the league, If not better.
I'd also say that whilst i don't think he is at VVD level, Maguire could certainly compete with Gomez/Stones/Otamendi in regards to being the 2nd pick cb at either of the top 2 teams. He is after all, picked ahead of both of them for england.

Would still have Alisson but if De Gea does get back to his level it’s a hell of a lot closer

Before Gomez got injured he was also being picked for England to play alongside Maguire - and I know which I would prefer to play alongside VVD ( would even have Matip over him ) , Maguire is still for me overrated , he suddenly seems to have gone up in peoples ratings just because he went for £80mil

He may squeeze into City but I would still prefer Stones if he could rediscover his form as well

 

[PJ87]

Would still have Alisson but if De Gea does get back to his level it’s a hell of a lot closer

Before Gomez got injured he was also being picked for England to play alongside Maguire - and I know which I would prefer to play alongside VVD ( would even have Matip over him ) , Maguire is still for me overrated , he suddenly seems to have gone up in peoples ratings just because he went for £80mil

He may squeeze into City but I would still prefer Stones if he could rediscover his form as well

What form is that then? Stones has always been rash and only went for so high because of his passing which citeh really wanted. The ability on the ball

He is an average cb

 

[Papas1982]

Would still have Alisson but if De Gea does get back to his level it’s a hell of a lot closer

Before Gomez got injured he was also being picked for England to play alongside Maguire - and I know which I would prefer to play alongside VVD ( would even have Matip over him ) , Maguire is still for me overrated , he suddenly seems to have gone up in peoples ratings just because he went for £80mil

He may squeeze into City but I would still prefer Stones if he could rediscover his form as well

I'm not sure Stones has ever really had form tbh.

From what i've seen of Gomez he still has a lot of work to do, when he and TAA are alonside one another the inexperience shows.

I don;'t rate Maguire massively and think £80m was ott, but atm he is Englands clear first choice CB. He may not be yours, but i don't think many neutrals would pick Gomez first. If he has a full season this year, that may change.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I'm not sure Stones has ever really had form tbh.

From what i've seen of Gomez he still has a lot of work to do, when he and TAA are alonside one another the inexperience shows.

I don;'t rate Maguire massively and think £80m was ott, but atm he is Englands clear first choice CB. He may not be yours, but i don't think many neutrals would pick Gomez first. If he has a full season this year, that may change.

That’s the big thing for Gomez - needs to get through a season without breaking a bone , if he can manage that then he will imo be the no 1 CB for England - he was excellent for us until that broken foot.

 

[Slime]

That’s the big thing for Gomez - needs to get through a season without breaking a bone , if he can manage that then he will imo be the no 1 CB for England - he was excellent for us until that broken foot.

...................... and Maguire has always been excellent for both Leicester and England.
He's also, so far, not put a foot wrong for United and doesn't seem to break bones.
I'd take him over Gomez all day long and suspect most non L'pool fan would too.