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Stu I’m with you on it - I’m not disagreeing with your view

It’s poor and it was said last season it was going to end up with loads of penalties etc

Good to see Pep carrying on with his bitterness though - going on about last seasons handballs and going on about VAR in the supercup - all against poor old City

You're agreeing with me but, this comment looks like you're justifying it.

"and they both looked like their arms were away from their body"
 

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Loving VAR so far. 2 goals ruled out against us already. Correct decisions given. Just finally nice to see decisions given in favour of the smaller teams
 

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Loving VAR so far. 2 goals ruled out against us already. Correct decisions given. Just finally nice to see decisions given in favour of the smaller teams

Wham a smaller side than Brighton. Finally a hammer who gets their true worth 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
 
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You're agreeing with me but, this comment looks like you're justifying it.

"and they both looked like their arms were away from their body"

Justify what ? Going by the new rules it was correctly ruled out and if it had hit the Spurs player it could well have been a penalty - the comment was in response to you asking if it would have been a penalty ?!
 

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Not sure what incident you were watching. In my opinion the arm was pretty close to the body as he stooped down and was also being jostled by the defender
This is all irrelevant now. The new rule says any contact with the arm during a goal means it gets disallowed, basically. Last season I don't think that would have been given as a handball. But now it is because it touched his arm and assisted a goal.

I think that law change is nonsense really, but as that is the law, VAR ruled it out correctly. Often people are slating VAR when the real problem is the laws being stupid. It's the same with offisde, I think defining offside as someone's shoulder being a millimetre past the other guy's toe is rubbish, but that's how it is so VAR just shows that.

Yeah was a penalty for them first half as well, no idea why they didn't look at that.

We've burgled a point, I'm loving it though obviously. What the hell was Ederson doing on our first goal, his positioning was shocking. And I'm not sure how you let 5'8 Lucas score a header. City do have themselves to blame as well, but we've ridden our luck big time. Ahhh, football.
 

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Despite working in our favour, I'm not convinced by VAR. The incident in the first half was definitely a penalty for City, so how did VAR not pick this up. It's incidents like this which is why VAR was brought in.
The use of VAR in the winning goal was a farce, as I didn't see any advantage gained.
As a City fan said on talksport, VAR will kill the game for the match going supporter, celebrating then only for it to be ruled out. The only ones who win are the armchair fans, however the match going fan is sadly worth nothing these days.
City look frightening at times, Lloris pulled off a few saves. I'm grateful for the point, but if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn't be happy
 

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Despite working in our favour, I'm not convinced by VAR. The incident in the first half was definitely a penalty for City, so how did VAR not pick this up. It's incidents like this which is why VAR was brought in.
The use of VAR in the winning goal was a farce, as I didn't see any advantage gained.
As a City fan said on talksport, VAR will kill the game for the match going supporter, celebrating then only for it to be ruled out. The only ones who win are the armchair fans, however the match going fan is sadly worth nothing these days.
City look frightening at times, Lloris pulled off a few saves. I'm grateful for the point, but if the shoe was on the other foot I wouldn't be happy

Couldn't agree more with this.

It's absolute bollocks but the armchair "fans" are where the money comes from.

Sad really.
 
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Couldn't agree more with this.

It's absolute bollocks but the armchair "fans" are where the money comes from.

Sad really.
It will also be ruining the game for a lot of “armchair” fans as well - var is the worst thing to happen to the sport
 

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It will also be ruining the game for a lot of “armchair” fans as well - var is the worst thing to happen to the sport

Don't really understand this?

Its the armchair fans/Sky/BT/media crusade that's brought VAR in.

I'm pretty sure that Sky and BT actually think it enhances the viewing experience and adds to drama etc
 
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The game evolves and rule changes although reluctantly accepted at the time; pass back, offside, tackle from behind to name a few, they've improved the game on the whole.

I cannot see this handball having the same impact on improving the game.

VAR is useful and probably needed for a few decisions but today's decision wasnt because of VAR, it's down to the pathetic handball rule.
 

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Just seen highlights on youtube re game. 😳how was that not a penalty in first half or not referred to VAR.

See you all in a week. 😘
 

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This is all irrelevant now. The new rule says any contact with the arm during a goal means it gets disallowed, basically. Last season I don't think that would have been given as a handball. But now it is because it touched his arm and assisted a goal.

I think that law change is nonsense really, but as that is the law, VAR ruled it out correctly. Often people are slating VAR when the real problem is the laws being stupid. It's the same with offisde, I think defining offside as someone's shoulder being a millimetre past the other guy's toe is rubbish, but that's how it is so VAR just shows that.

Yeah was a penalty for them first half as well, no idea why they didn't look at that.

We've burgled a point, I'm loving it though obviously. What the hell was Ederson doing on our first goal, his positioning was shocking. And I'm not sure how you let 5'8 Lucas score a header. City do have themselves to blame as well, but we've ridden our luck big time. Ahhh, football.
I said that in an earlier post but my point is the law is an ass. Any incident of the ball touching an attackers arm is now no-goal. As this incident showed, 100% unintentional and I am not sure he even saw the ball looking at his head down position and being pushed by the defender.

I will be interested to see how consistently this is applied as the season progressing. As you say the penalty shout in the first half should have been reviewed so I'm not sold 100% on VAR. Some goals being ruled out, and on review the correct decision is being reached so you can argue VAR is doing what it's intended to do. Perhaps its just FIFA and the laws that are what need tweaking
 

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I said that in an earlier post but my point is the law is an ass. Any incident of the ball touching an attackers arm is now no-goal. As this incident showed, 100% unintentional and I am not sure he even saw the ball looking at his head down position and being pushed by the defender.

I will be interested to see how consistently this is applied as the season progressing. As you say the penalty shout in the first half should have been reviewed so I'm not sold 100% on VAR. Some goals being ruled out, and on review the correct decision is being reached so you can argue VAR is doing what it's intended to do. Perhaps its just FIFA and the laws that are what need tweaking
Last sentence Homer. It is already down for being “ tweaked” after the sterling offside by his armpit. FIFA have already said they will
 

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I'm all in on var tbh.

I've spent 36 years supporting a team where I was contantly told to basically accept my our place re decisions because things even themselves out over the course of a season.

I think it needs to be streamlined, but it already seems less disruptive than what was seen at the Woman's world cup.

I'm now a paid up armchair fan that spend the first 25 years watching the "proper" way. If the time taken improves then imo it'd more nostalgia holding people back. Yes we all like a chat down the pub, but I've very rarely seen fans just accept a result that goes against them in a big game, and why should they.

The goal today could happen last day if the season, should a team miss top 4 or face relegation when the system could prove it was the wrong call?
 

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Can’t believe Adrian’s blunder hasn’t had a mention 🤦‍♂️😆

Would almost certainly have been mentioned more if it had affected the result but with Liverpool still winning it's less important. If your keeper chucks one in and you win it doesn't matter as much as if he does the same and you draw or lose.
 
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Justify what ? Going by the new rules it was correctly ruled out and if it had hit the Spurs player it could well have been a penalty - the comment was in response to you asking if it would have been a penalty ?!

According to Lineker on MOTD, it wouldn’t have been a pen had it hit Skipp accidentally. Two different rules for the same thing.
 
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