Premier League 2019-2020 we’re off

[Beezerk]

Villa asking 80m from United for Grealish! Seems to be based on they were prepared pay that for Maguire than they can pay it for Grealish too

Is this a wind up lol? He's an awful player, lazy, goes missing for huge periods of games, loses the ball in poor positions. Would be a terrible signing for Man Utd or any of the top teams imo.

 

[AmandaJR]

Is this a wind up lol? He's an awful player, lazy, goes missing for huge periods of games, loses the ball in poor positions. Would be a terrible signing for Man Utd or any of the top teams imo.

I have to agree in the main. Bit of a prancing pony who flatters to deceive imho. Never mind the ridiculous hair, short socks, teeny shin pads and tight shorts...

 

[User62651]

Villa losing Grealish would be like Liverpool losing Coutinho........they'd just move on.

£50 mill would go a long way at Villa.

ManU's list of mega-expensive duds is legendary.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

Is this a wind up lol? He's an awful player, lazy, goes missing for huge periods of games, loses the ball in poor positions. Would be a terrible signing for Man Utd or any of the top teams imo.

I have always thought he was a big fish in a small pond at Villa and even then has gone missing and gone down far too easily without always producing an end result. Don't think he's ever worth the figures being quoted and even though a big manager may bring him on I don't ever seem him being a game changing top player at a big club

 

[ColchesterFC]

The Ref doesn’t though, that’s why technology has been introduced, he checked his watch and Hawkeye says over the line or not.
In this instance it never recognised were the ball was as it was faulty.

Hawkeye immediately apologised after the game, the VAR Officials also deemed it over the line, but couldn’t tell the Ref as it’s not one of the 4 reasons they can interfere on.

The Ref doesn’t though, that’s why technology has been introduced, he checked his watch and Hawkeye says over the line or not.
In this instance it never recognised were the ball was as it was faulty.

If the linesman had flagged for a goal could the ref have referred it to VAR to check?

EDIT - or would VAR check it anyway in that situation as they check all goals? Can a linesman overule Hawkeye?

 

[hairball_89]

Is this a wind up lol? He's an awful player, lazy, goes missing for huge periods of games, loses the ball in poor positions. Would be a terrible signing for Man Utd or any of the top teams imo.

This. Absolutely 100%. Don't get it at all. My parents have season tickets at the Amex, and I've seen Villa a few times down there. The way he's spoken about in Villa vs Brighton he should be the standout best player on the pitch by a mile. He's never been that when I've seen him in the flesh. Vastly anonymous, doesn't help the team defend.

And his socks? That's enough of a reason to demonstrate how much he thinks of himself.

hopefully Utd spend £80m on him!

 

[Deleted member 16999]

If the linesman had flagged for a goal could the ref have referred it to VAR to check?

EDIT - or would VAR check it anyway in that situation as they check all goals? Can a linesman overule Hawkeye?

Only the Ref wears a watch with Hawkeye decision and I believe and he depends on it working correctly as Hawkeye is meant to be that accurate.

I don’t believe a linesman can over rule Hawkeye and VAR couldn’t get involved. Crazy situation.

 

[clubchamp98]

The Ref doesn’t though, that’s why technology has been introduced, he checked his watch and Hawkeye says over the line or not.
In this instance it never recognised were the ball was as it was faulty.

Hawkeye immediately apologised after the game, the VAR Officials also deemed it over the line, but couldn’t tell the Ref as it’s not one of the 4 reasons they can interfere on.

The Ref doesn’t though, that’s why technology has been introduced, he checked his watch and Hawkeye says over the line or not.
In this instance it never recognised were the ball was as it was faulty.

Lot more to this one than simply saying the ref has the final word.

As much as I sympathise with Bournemouth in this instance, I don’t agree with them suing anyone, they had 37 other games to get enough points and who’s to say Villa wouldn’t have won 2-1 if the goal had been given.

So if Hawkeye isn’t working the ref has the final say.
Even with all the tech ,the ref has the final say.
He dosnt have to take the opinion of VAR as far as I know.or does he?

 

[fundy]

So if Hawkeye isn’t working the ref has the final say.
Even with all the tech ,the ref has the final say.
He dosnt have to take the opinion of VAR as far as I know.or does he?

no because the ref didnt know he didnt have hawkeye, he just kept pointing at his wrist to say the technology says no goal, he didnt even consider his own opinion, as to what his lino was watching lol but again wouldnt have been considered because theyve been told the goal line tech is 100% (it may be close to if theyve turned it on!)

again VAR didnt even bother looking because the goal line tech was "infallible", if they were watching at stockley park they tell the ref on the ear piece in seconds, it gets reviewed and overruled

only became apparent once the game kicked off that no one had even checked because they assumed the tech couldnt fail (until it did)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So if Hawkeye isn’t working the ref has the final say.
Even with all the tech ,the ref has the final say.
He dosnt have to take the opinion of VAR as far as I know.or does he?

The Ref didn’t know it wasn’t working! It didn’t signal goal so he played on, the decision would of been made by a working Hawkeye which he would of gone along with. So not his decision.

VAR is there to assist, but goal line technology is not one of their 4 areas to intervene, even though it was admitted the VAR Official could see from replays it was clearly over the line.
He doesn’t ever have to take VAR’s opinion, but VAR is not Hawkeye which he does.

A statement from the PGMOL said: "Under the IFAB protocol, the VAR is able to check goal situations, however due to the fact that the on-field match officials did not receive a signal, and the unique nature of that, the VAR did not intervene."

 

[clubchamp98]

no because the ref didnt know he didnt have hawkeye, he just kept pointing at his wrist to say the technology says no goal, he didnt even consider his own opinion, as to what his lino was watching lol but again wouldnt have been considered because theyve been told the goal line tech is 100% (it may be close to if theyve turned it on!)

again VAR didnt even bother looking because the goal line tech was "infallible", if they were watching at stockley park they tell the ref on the ear piece in seconds, it gets reviewed and overruled

only became apparent once the game kicked off that no one had even checked because they assumed the tech couldnt fail (until it did)

So if Hawkeye is working / or not from the start or breaks down it needs a warning system to tell the ref it’s not working!
The ref needs to use his judgement but with all the tech VAR is still only an opinion from someone in Stockley Park.
It’s my opinion that the ref is in charge of the game, so has the final say!
VAR is a joke , it should be used for every controversial incident or not at all.
Especially diving.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

So if Hawkeye is working / or not from the start or breaks down it needs a warning system to tell the ref it’s not working!
The ref needs to use his judgement but with all the tech VAR is still only an opinion from someone in Stockley Park.
It’s my opinion that the ref is in charge of the game, so has the final say!
VAR is a joke , it should be used for every controversial incident or not at all.
Especially diving.

You’re confusing the Ref with VAR and Hawkeye, the Ref wears a watch which vibrates if Hawkeye says the all the ball is over the line, vibrate = goal, no vibrate = No goal, he accepts that, can’t over rule it, therefore does not have the final say were hawkeye is involved.

 

[Papas1982]

So if Hawkeye is working / or not from the start or breaks down it needs a warning system to tell the ref it’s not working!
The ref needs to use his judgement but with all the tech VAR is still only an opinion from someone in Stockley Park.
It’s my opinion that the ref is in charge of the game, so has the final say!
VAR is a joke , it should be used for every controversial incident or not at all.
Especially diving.

The ref has the final say on many things. Goal line simply isn't one of them. Just like in tennis and hawkeye makes the decision.

If the ref is told something is 100 percent infalable then he and his linemen won't even pay attention to the ball crossing the line as they'll concentate on to her infringements that could occur.

Hawkeye quite clearly made the mistake. That being said, bmouth should have complained along with many other clubs wehn it happened.

It's now just sour grapes.

 

[clubchamp98]

The Ref didn’t know it wasn’t working! It didn’t signal goal so he played on, the decision would of been made by a working Hawkeye which he would of gone along with. So not his decision.

VAR is there to assist, but goal line technology is not one of their 4 areas to intervene, even though it was admitted the VAR Official could see from replays it was clearly over the line.
He doesn’t ever have to take VAR’s opinion, but VAR is not Hawkeye which he does.

A statement from the PGMOL said: "Under the IFAB protocol, the VAR is able to check goal situations, however due to the fact that the on-field match officials did not receive a signal, and the unique nature of that, the VAR did not intervene."

Hawkeye tells him it’s over the line ,but the ref makes the decision it’s a goal.
The ref is in charge nobody else.
The tech just helps him get it correct ( if it’s turned on properly)

 

[fundy]

So if Hawkeye is working / or not from the start or breaks down it needs a warning system to tell the ref it’s not working!
The ref needs to use his judgement but with all the tech VAR is still only an opinion from someone in Stockley Park.
It’s my opinion that the ref is in charge of the game, so has the final say!
VAR is a joke , it should be used for every controversial incident or not at all.
Especially diving.

not that i dont agree with some of your views thats not relevant here, the ref needs to be in control but clearly isnt in this situation because of how the system was set up. The hawkeye watch should confirm goal or no goal, its currently set up as 1 way only, ie it only buzzes if no goal so the ref assumes its a goal if no buzz! That the ref doesnt even consider it could be wrong is clearly wrong too but how theyve been trained

var as its been used this year is a joke for sure, right intention, wrong implementation. lets hope next years version is better (and when the decision is subjective results in the ref watching a screen and making his decision still)

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Hawkeye tells him it’s over the line ,but the ref makes the decision it’s a goal.
The ref is in charge nobody else.

No! Hawkeye makes the decision and tells him what it is, he accepts it without question.

Even after the game the Sheff Utd manager Chris Wilder said that the Ref (Oliver) had the feeling it was a goal, but Hawkeye told him it wasn’t.

 

[Papas1982]

Hawkeye tells him it’s over the line ,but the ref makes the decision it’s a goal.
The ref is in charge nobody else.
The tech just helps him get it correct ( if it’s turned on properly)

Wrong.
he awards the goal, he can’t override so has no power in regards to the decision.

 

[clubchamp98]

No! Hawkeye makes the decision and tells him what it is, he accepts it without question.

Even after the game the Sheff Utd manager Chris Wilder said that the Ref (Oliver) had the feeling it was a goal, but Hawkeye told him it wasn’t.

Hawkeye is a machine it dosnt make decisions it just tells the ref it’s over the line or it’s not!
That’s just fact.
The ref accepts it as fact and then makes his decision.
That’s how I see it , if you see it differently that’s fine!

 

[clubchamp98]

Wrong.
he awards the goal, he can’t override so has no power in regards to the decision.

Wrong .
He accept the fact it’s over the line then decides to award the goal.
Hawkeye just deals in fact , over or not it dosnt make decisions.

 

[Deleted member 16999]

Hawkeye is a machine it dosnt make decisions it just tells the ref it’s over the line or it’s not!
That’s just fact.
The ref accepts it as fact and then makes his decision.
That’s how I see it , if you see it differently that’s fine!

You keep saying “makes a decision” like he has a choice, he doesn’t get a choice, he has no decision to make, his role in this is to accept what Hawkeye tells him and him to blow his whistle or not. ie, do as he’s informed.

It’s not, Vibrate = goal (if you’d like to agree), No Vibrate = goal (if you’d like to agree)

The whole reason Hawkeye was brought in was to help the Referee by taking the decision and possible controversey away from them.