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[Deleted member 16999]

I'm not sure i go along with this notion that white middle aged can't have an opinion on what should be deemed as racist. Obviously they haven't gone through the same experiences. But surely that helps rule. Out them having a prejudice in making a decision. Surely ruling someone's opinion out based on their skin colour is in itself racist 🤯

In this case I think it was more a case or people being offended for the sake of it. But it was a black caricature, which as has been shown in previous cases can be deemed as racist.

Its a minefield. For me though the FA bottled. If they find him guilty of racism then it has to be more than a 1 match ban.

Probably because the FA accepted it wasn’t sent with any racist intent, the problem seems to be he sent it publicly rather than privately and deleted within 45 minutes, Mendy defended Silva as well.
There was a report on BBC that Choudray of Leics was only fined £5,000.00 in the summer for historical posts that did have a racial element.

 

[Papas1982]

Probably because the FA accepted it wasn’t sent with any racist intent, the problem seems to be he sent it publicly rather than privately and deleted within 45 minutes, Mendy defended Silva as well.
There was a report on BBC that Choudray of Leics was only fined £5,000.00 in the summer for historical posts that did have a racial element.

Haven't seen that, but two wrongs (the fa) doesn't make it right.

I get the intent part. I'm not calling for 9 matches. But to take this long, suggests to me that they were simply looking for a solution that would get the least kick back. City accept the one game as its not bad for racism and though baying for blood are happy enough that at least something was done.

 

[Papas1982]

If a word or term is rascist, it's rascist no matter what colour of skin the person saying it has.

I think we all no one word where that clearly isn't accepted as true....

 

[Slime]

Maybe being simplistic but if what he tweeted was not racist why has he been fined and banned.?

Pure snowflakery.
I believe Mendy wrote a letter saying that he was not offended by Silva.
I guess his opinion doesn't count for much.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I'm not sure i go along with this notion that white middle aged can't have an opinion on what should be deemed as racist. Obviously they haven't gone through the same experiences. But surely that helps rule. Out them having a prejudice in making a decision. Surely ruling someone's opinion out based on their skin colour is in itself racist 🤯

In this case I think it was more a case or people being offended for the sake of it. But it was a black caricature, which as has been shown in previous cases can be deemed as racist.

Its a minefield. For me though the FA bottled. If they find him guilty of racism then it has to be more than a 1 match ban.

I can only speak from a personal/family point of view.

Suffice to say that my daughter in law would be more in agreement with John Barnes on this rather than any white, middle aged golfer.

In my experience many find it borderline racist and certainly patronising when others are offended on their behalf.

 

[clubchamp98]

So to sum up .
You can say something to someone who dosnt take offence.
But another person nothing to do with it does.
You can be fined and stopped from doing your job.
That just dosnt seem right!

 

[Deleted member 15344]

So to sum up .
You can say something to someone who dosnt take offence.
But another person nothing to do with it does.
You can be fined and stopped from doing your job.
That just dosnt seem right!

Are you new to the sport of football and the governing body that is the FA and their disciplinary process ?

 

[Papas1982]

I can only speak from a personal/family point of view.

Suffice to say that my daughter in law would be more in agreement with John Barnes on this rather than any white, middle aged golfer.

In my experience many find it borderline racist and certainly patronising when others are offended on their behalf.

I agree with that in regards to if white people are maybe acting outraged. I just don't think it's right to say that white people can't see something as racist.

Maybe it's a bit more like that now as everyone wants to be offended so some see something in nothing. But for me, you do t need to have been subject to something to know or at least belive if it's right or wrong. Be that sexism, homophobia or racism.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

I agree with that in regards to if white people are maybe acting outraged. I just don't think it's right to say that white people can't see something as racist.

Maybe it's a bit more like that now as everyone wants to be offended so some see something in nothing. But for me, you do t need to have been subject to something to know or at least belive if it's right or wrong. Be that sexism, homophobia or racism.

With any prejudice I would need to know the view of the individual or the community in question before I could judge if something is offensive.

I just don't have their appreciation of context.

 

[Deleted member 15344]

I agree with that in regards to if white people are maybe acting outraged. I just don't think it's right to say that white people can't see something as racist.

Maybe it's a bit more like that now as everyone wants to be offended so some see something in nothing. But for me, you do t need to have been subject to something to know or at least belive if it's right or wrong. Be that sexism, homophobia or racism.

If Mendy doesn’t find it racist or offensive I don’t understand how the FA can find it offensive on his behalf ?

 

[Papas1982]

If Mendy doesn’t find it racist or offensive I don’t understand how the FA can find it offensive on his behalf ?

I've not seen the ruling. Just the punishment, have they charged him with offending Mendy officially. Or for simply possibly causing offence.

If he'd called him the N word and Mendy said it was fine as they said it jokingly in private, would that be OK.

Like I said, I don't think it's offensive. Just think the FA either punish more harshly, or not at all.

With any prejudice I would need to know the view of the individual or the community in question before I could judge if something is offensive.

I just don't have their appreciation of context.

That's fair, but from a law/ruling pov I can't see it working that way. If you had all black, gay, sexually assaulted people on a jury for example hearing a case. I don't think it far fetched to think that on occasion they'll have a predetermined view.

 

[Deleted member 18588]

That's fair, but from a law/ruling pov I can't see it working that way. If you had all black, gay, sexually assaulted people on a jury for example hearing a case. I don't think it far fetched to think that on occasion they'll have a predetermined view.

True but I would hope that by the time an issue became that advanced there would be a clear idea of its effect upon the relevant individuals and communities.

 

[Deleted member 1740]

Well John Barnes has just stated on Radio 5, if I understood him correctly, that he doesn't consider it to be racist.

Indeed it would seem that he is suggesting that those who complained are themselves doing so as they consider black skin to be a negative.

Johnny Barnes is one of few people I take notice of when it comes to racism.

 

[HomerJSimpson]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50317760

Still got a long way to go, especially compared to Forest Green

 

[clubchamp98]

If Mendy doesn’t find it racist or offensive I don’t understand how the FA can find it offensive on his behalf ?

You must be new to football like me.

 

[Liverbirdie]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/50317760

Still got a long way to go, especially compared to Forest Green

Wonder if they will bring back the "footy special" trains. - hovels on wheels.

 

[Orikoru]

Johnny Barnes is one of few people I take notice of when it comes to racism.

He usually talks a lot of sense as well. Usually quick to point out when people are overreacting to something, as he did with this Silva & Mendy incident.

 

[Papas1982]

How on earth at 5-0 has there been no injury time accrued?

Pointless game really, as are most qualifiers but at least Kane has a hat trick. Seen a bit of talk about him not warranting a place which club form aside is ridiculous imo.

 

[Orikoru]

Montenegro are absolutely awful. We're walking around them like they're a pub team. And we still let them in for two chances! Says it all.

Kane has already surpassed Shearer in England goals. That's rather impressive. Could catch Owen in this second half as well, he's only 9 behind.

 

[Deleted member 21784]

Montenegro are absolutely awful. We're walking around them like they're a pub team. And we still let them in for two chances! Says it all.

Kane has already surpassed Shearer in England goals. That's rather impressive. Could catch Owen in this second half as well, he's only 9 behind.

As lineker pointed out on twitter

Shearers goals will have come against stronger opposition